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I’m in Greater Manchester (tier 3) and feel like we’ve never been out of lockdown :( no end in sight and numbers still very high.
Same, we had the equivalent of tier 3 for couple of months and they briefly lifted our restrictions to be brought in line with the rest of Manchester, which was great for us as we could all see our families outdoors.
Stupid though regarding covid didn’t make any sense even to us, as our cases where already rocketing up when restrictions eased and now they’re sky high somewhere on the moon. Feel a tier 4 will be happening soon

makes me laugh though you go on Instagram and Manchester influencers are having a great time.
Also we‘re on the border (literally can walk over) with a tier 2 area and they're out and about here with there families and friends 😤
 
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Hugs to all that need it.
We tier 1 still approx 215 per 100k last 7days.
Weirdly South west has higher r rate still but all areas within still tier 1.
We have 2 big hospitals within the city.
Hospital 1 has gone into level 2 mode with 39 patiants which means some routine stuff will be cancelled.
No idea about hospital 2 they 2 separate trusts but thourght 39 is low threshold for a hospital to be overwhelmed.
It must be worse in northern hospitals.

Been watching euro news this morning i am sure it said France had 52k cases yesterday and haven't ruled out a lockdown.
Spain declared state emergency curfew.
Belgium's struggling.
Italy greece and Switzerland badly effected this time but wasent in the 1st wave.
Polish ans Bulgarian leaders both have covid.

Another days rain here.
Not getting much sleep.
Feel so down and anxious lately
Trying put on a happy face for the kids.

Want to meet up with freind from London in few weeks at reading as tier 1 but worried tiers might change again.
Does anyone know if readings high?
My local NHS trust has approx 150 COVID patients at present (Greater Manchester area). Apparently expecting 600 at peak across two sites 😬
The ICUs of two major north west teaching hospitals were full as of last Friday.
 
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My local NHS trust has approx 150 COVID patients at present (Greater Manchester area). Apparently expecting 600 at peak across two sites 😬
The ICUs of two major north west teaching hospitals were full as of last Friday.
This is no way a dig at front line NHS who are only doing their best in the circumstances but I don’t understand why more capacity was not created in the last 6 months.

You have millions of unemployed - some with some first aid training like cabin crew etc that could have been fast tracked to create specialist roles to assist in ICU’s and work assist front line staff. Not perfect but would have provided more capacity and jobs.
 
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This is no way a dig at front line NHS who are only doing their best in the circumstances but I don’t understand why more capacity was not created in the last 6 months.

You have millions of unemployed - some with some first aid training like cabin crew etc that could have been fast tracked to create specialist roles to assist in ICU’s and work assist front line staff. Not perfect but would have provided more capacity and jobs.
Whatever happened to those temporary-build Nightingale Hospitals that were built 4 or 5 months ago, some of which have closed through lack of demand?
 
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Whatever happened to those temporary-build Nightingale Hospitals that were built 4 or 5 months ago, some of which have closed through lack of demand?
Most of them never opened, there’s no additional staff to work in them, they just appear to be a huge waste of money stretching existing staff capacity further.
 
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I have a home test coming today. Had major headaches and fatigue since Wed, then Fri morning a nagging feeling in my throat, Sat morning a cold sensation in throat after eating/drinking, then yesterday shortness of breath. It could still well be the start of a cold, I’ve woken up a bit snotty today.

But we now have 5 of us stuck inside as my stepchildren need to stay with us too until we know. Feeling guilty with it being half term as normally we’d be out doing things.

Then last night my partner was told two more people have tested positive in his workplace. Feels like it’s a never ending circle.
 
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Most of them never opened, there’s no additional staff to work in them, they just appear to be a huge waste of money stretching existing staff capacity further.
Sounds like the kind of management decision taken from up on high - build a massive hospital, realise you don't have the resources to utilise it to capacity, and then mothball it. Job done, cheque please! :mad:
 
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This is no way a dig at front line NHS who are only doing their best in the circumstances but I don’t understand why more capacity was not created in the last 6 months.

You have millions of unemployed - some with some first aid training like cabin crew etc that could have been fast tracked to create specialist roles to assist in ICU’s and work assist front line staff. Not perfect but would have provided more capacity and jobs.
It wouldn't work. Icu is very specialist and requires more then some background first aid. Even nurses with years of experience that were moved to icu with training struggled. You are meant to be 1:1 (2:1 hdu) but they at times had 6:1 according to my Icu friend which has led to burnout and people leaving. You can't create capacity when you were already behind. They've done what they can in terms of fast tracking newly qualified staff and nmc pins etc but we need experienced staff. People could be trained to be hcas etc but we need trained nursing and medical staff.
 
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This is no way a dig at front line NHS who are only doing their best in the circumstances but I don’t understand why more capacity was not created in the last 6 months.

You have millions of unemployed - some with some first aid training like cabin crew etc that could have been fast tracked to create specialist roles to assist in ICU’s and work assist front line staff. Not perfect but would have provided more capacity and jobs.
I mean this in the nicest way possible but there’s no way someone with a bit of first aid training could increase capacity in an ICU. It’s not about the number of bodies, these are specialist roles and the sickest patients with an incredibly high rate of mortality. It’s a bit like saying someone who’s driven a car once or twice could be fast tracked to fly a plane.
 
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This is no way a dig at front line NHS who are only doing their best in the circumstances but I don’t understand why more capacity was not created in the last 6 months.

You have millions of unemployed - some with some first aid training like cabin crew etc that could have been fast tracked to create specialist roles to assist in ICU’s and work assist front line staff. Not perfect but would have provided more capacity and jobs.
We’ve spent 6 months catching up with the workload caused by suspending normal services in March. NHS England are still telling us to continue elective services as normal so we simply cannot create surge capacity for a pandemic and carry on elective services. Something has to give but the powers at be have spoken.

You couldn’t train somebody with no prior experience to be a specialist in anything in that time. It takes years of investment in recruitment and training, often at a university level, to get what we need for a high quality health system. What we need are nurses (Especially ICU nurses), doctors, lab techs, radiographers, pharmacists, OTs, physios, social workers, then more beds, more scanners, more ventilators, more kit in general for these people to do their jobs. Many NHS hospitals were built 100 years ago and are already operating at 85%+ capacity without a pandemic. There just isn’t the physical space to put more patients even if we did have all this stuff.

I believe the Manchester nightingale is opening this week. But the staff is being borrowed from trusts throughout the north west, creating shortages elsewhere. This is what happens when central government defunds and asset strip a health service for over a decade.

Not getting at you, I appreciate your comment is aimed for at higher management and government rather than frontline staff.
 
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So I woke up this morning with pain in my chest, a sticky ear, temperature, dry cough and joint pain. It's so frustrating to know what to do, as I get chest pain, cough (although mines usually with mucus so that's different) and joint pain with my chronic illnesses anyway. How am I supposed to know what's just "me" or the virus 😭 I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I just don't know if it's worth getting a test or if it's a waste? 😔
 
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So I woke up this morning with pain in my chest, a sticky ear, temperature, dry cough and joint pain. It's so frustrating to know what to do, as I get chest pain, cough (although mines usually with mucus so that's different) and joint pain with my chronic illnesses anyway. How am I supposed to know what's just "me" or the virus 😭 I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I just don't know if it's worth getting a test or if it's a waste? 😔
Because you have covid symptoms it's always best to get a test
 
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So I woke up this morning with pain in my chest, a sticky ear, temperature, dry cough and joint pain. It's so frustrating to know what to do, as I get chest pain, cough (although mines usually with mucus so that's different) and joint pain with my chronic illnesses anyway. How am I supposed to know what's just "me" or the virus 😭 I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I just don't know if it's worth getting a test or if it's a waste? 😔
Get tested! It's not a waste given your circumstances. Can't afford any second guessing. At least with a test you'll know where you stand and the appropriate advice can be forgiven as quick as possible. It will also give you peace of mind, and not any of that "If only" or "What If" indecision.
 
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So I woke up this morning with pain in my chest, a sticky ear, temperature, dry cough and joint pain. It's so frustrating to know what to do, as I get chest pain, cough (although mines usually with mucus so that's different) and joint pain with my chronic illnesses anyway. How am I supposed to know what's just "me" or the virus 😭 I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I just don't know if it's worth getting a test or if it's a waste? 😔
Sounds like the flu, but I’d still get a test just to be on the safe side. I think I’d rather know either way.
 
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Get tested! It's not a waste given your circumstances. Can't afford any second guessing. At least with a test you'll know where you stand and the appropriate advice can be forgiven as quick as possible. It will also give you peace of mind, and not any of that "If only" or "What If" indecision.
That's true. Thank you everyone! X
 
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I mean this in the nicest way possible but there’s no way someone with a bit of first aid training could increase capacity in an ICU. It’s not about the number of bodies, these are specialist roles and the sickest patients with an incredibly high rate of mortality. It’s a bit like saying someone who’s driven a car once or twice could be fast tracked to fly a plane.
What’s the alternative though? Someone with some training treating the sick or people dying in ambulances and in corridors with no staffing?

As I said before by no means perfect, but additional capacity is better than nothing?
 
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Had a sore throat on Saturday morning (since gone)
Said it to my mam....

“Ah that will be the weather are you wearing warm clothes” 😂😂😂😂😂

mid pandemic in Ireland 😂 and to be fair I’d probably have said the same 😂
 
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What’s the alternative though? Someone with some training treating the sick or people dying in ambulances and in corridors with no staffing?

As I said before by no means perfect, but additional capacity is better than nothing?
A badly trained person is pretty much the same as no person. It wouldn't increase capacity. There's not enough training that can be done in this small time space to get people at a point where they can help. I get how frustrating it is and how it doesn't make sense but this is the reality. My trust are already getting volunteers in to help feed patients and they have had a drive to recruit hcas but in terms of actual medically trained staff we are at dangerous levels.
 
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What’s the alternative though? Someone with some training treating the sick or people dying in ambulances and in corridors with no staffing?

As I said before by no means perfect, but additional capacity is better than nothing?
I think you’ve had several replies from frontline staff explaining why it wouldn’t work. First aid training is incredibly basic with a 3 year refresher course, generally aimed at damage limitation/life preservation in the worst instance until trained medics are on scene. A lot of people who are trained never use it in practice, and are thankful of that fact. Our roles in ICU are highly specialised, they involve years of training, after completing our university degrees. I’m not sure why you seem to think any Tom, Dick or Harry could walk in off the street after being “fast tracked” and be able to contribute anything. They would be a hindrance more than anything.
 
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