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Vent incoming.

A friend texted me yesterday. We used to be very close but after she had a baby during the pandemic, it was hard to keep in touch for multiple reasons and we've settled back into casual friends these days. She asked me how I am, I told her that I was pretty tired but dealing with it, and asked how she was doing. She said I couldn't comprehend how tired she was because she had covid again and she has a one year old on top of it, and there was a meltdown at home because she has to stay away from the baby during her quarantine... And she went on for 5-6 more texts like this until the conversation fizzled out again.

I really do understand needing to vent and wanting some sympathy, I'm not cross with her for telling me how she's doing, but this is all our conversations ever since she's had her baby. She asks how I'm doing out of courtesy, ignores my answer and then continues to only talk about how terrible she's doing and by the time she's done, I honestly have nothing helpful to say because I don't have kids and my advice is only surface deep, which is why I don't tend to offer much. I used to feel guilty about letting our friendship fizzle because I felt like I should have been more present for her, then I think about how any of our chats go and how little she's interested...

I think it's nobody's fault but the single/childfree/childless part shouldn't always take the blame for dead friendships. I always hear how parents complain about losing friends after having kids, but I never hear advice on how new parents can keep in touch with friends, instead of always expecting the other part to do the work. Mind you, I don't mind accommodating tight schedules of friends or meeting them halfway; we've gone months, sometimes years without having a single face-to-face chat with some of them and when we meet again, it's like no time has gone by. Perhaps if people have a strong enough bond, it'll survive the no-contact weeks or months and the other ones will die a slow death while we awkwardly try to patch things together.

I'm tired of blaming myself for the state of our friendship and at this point in life, I think I'll pass on relationships that feel like a chore and I don't want to feel like my time or feelings are less valuable because I am not a parent.
The bit in your post about not having anything helpful to say, I've been there! My sister used to complain a lot about things she was struggling with, with my nephew and I'd end up trying to help just for something to say. (NB I would express sympathy also.) Then she told me she didn't appreciate the suggestions particularly from someone with no experience. So I said to her, well what do you want me to do then, sit there in silence while you bang on and on about the same stuff every time we talk?

I knew what she wanted. She wanted me to do all the hand holding, awww poor you, your life is so hard, no one has it harder than you etc.

duck off. 😂
 
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The bit in your post about not having anything helpful to say, I've been there! My sister used to complain a lot about things she was struggling with, with my nephew and I'd end up trying to help just for something to say. (NB I would express sympathy also.) Then she told me she didn't appreciate the suggestions particularly from someone with no experience. So I said to her, well what do you want me to do then, sit there in silence while you bang on and on about the same stuff every time we talk?

I knew what she wanted. She wanted me to do all the hand holding, awww poor you, your life is so hard, no one has it harder than you etc.

duck off. 😂
I have, sorry had, a friend like this. I've not had an easy time in life with 99% of my significant relatives being dead by time I was 32...but oh she's had to "parent" her child (who went to her Dad's every weekend) and she can't speak to her Mum as she helps her Nan (....they're alive though...) and she's had the WORST life. We all dared to go out in our 20s whilst she had a kid.

Your bed hun. 😆
 
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Hi all, new to Tattle and have come across this thread 👋 I’m 40 in a few months and have not wavered about having kids (love being an auntie but that’s where I draw the line!) The only thing I think that is sad is how some friendships have drifted apart after my friends have become mothers. Obviously expected some changes but after a while I realised I was the one always doing the running or trying to organise meet-ups etc and took the hint that they were more interested in socialising with other mums
 
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Hi all, new to Tattle and have come across this thread 👋 I’m 40 in a few months and have not wavered about having kids (love being an auntie but that’s where I draw the line!) The only thing I think that is sad is how some friendships have drifted apart after my friends have become mothers. Obviously expected some changes but after a while I realised I was the one always doing the running or trying to organise meet-ups etc and took the hint that they were more interested in socialising with other mums
This exactly. You have to take the hint that despite being mates since 12, you're one day surplus to requirement. All I can say is that I do sincerely hope their relationships go the distance as I won't be making myself available in the event they don't

Also this thread is a godsend, I thought it was just me!
 
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Hi all, new to Tattle and have come across this thread 👋 I’m 40 in a few months and have not wavered about having kids (love being an auntie but that’s where I draw the line!) The only thing I think that is sad is how some friendships have drifted apart after my friends have become mothers. Obviously expected some changes but after a while I realised I was the one always doing the running or trying to organise meet-ups etc and took the hint that they were more interested in socialising with other mums
I felt the same as my friends started having kids. I'm the same age as you and have recently started to find a new group of friends through the gym. They are all aged began 37-50 and nearly all of them have grown up kids. It's so nice to be able to talk to people who's lives don't revolve round their kids, and who have other interests!
 
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And when you did meet up some would say things like oh you don’t know what tiredness is (even though I have a chronic health issue), how you don’t know what love is until you’re a mummy etc 😏
 
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I hate that place these days! I used to love it (I only live 20 minutes up the road), but now, even late at night in the week, it’s over run with kids screaming and parents shouting. Nando’s is like a crèche 😂
I had to seek sanctuary in The White Company concession in Selfridges - calm neutral colours and relaxing smells. One of the shop assistants referred to “Patricia, she’s a cashmere addict” - what a queen, I want to be her when I grow up.
 
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I had to seek sanctuary in The White Company concession in Selfridges - calm neutral colours and relaxing smells. One of the shop assistants referred to “Patricia, she’s a cashmere addict” - what a queen, I want to be her when I grow up.
Here in Canada we don't have The White Company although I love it! Pottery Barn is very similar in that it has calming scents and colours plus it's expensive as duck so not many kids in there 😂.
I don't venture to the mall often, I can't recall the last time I was there. I have autism and sensory issues so I find the brightness, loud music and noise very overwhelming. I've considered wearing ear plugs actually to help me out. I know some people sensory issues find it helps. 😊
 
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Does anyone else also get repulsed by labour and that’s a contributing factor to not wanting kids?

the whole idea of how undignified it is really is off putting. The thought of a sweep makes my toes curl, the thought of shitting yourself in labour and having your legs up in stirrups so everyone can stare at your bits!

and then afterwards, not being able to go to the toilet without it stinging or if you tear front to back! Ouch!

people think it’s wonderful, I just think it’s grim!😂
 
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Does anyone else also get repulsed by labour and that’s a contributing factor to not wanting kids?

the whole idea of how undignified it is really is off putting. The thought of a sweep makes my toes curl, the thought of shitting yourself in labour and having your legs up in stirrups so everyone can stare at your bits!

and then afterwards, not being able to go to the toilet without it stinging or if you tear front to back! Ouch!

people think it’s wonderful, I just think it’s grim!😂
yeah its absolutely disgusting
it's like the woman's body doesn't belong to them anymore, it's just a vessel
urghhhh
 
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Does anyone else also get repulsed by labour and that’s a contributing factor to not wanting kids?

the whole idea of how undignified it is really is off putting. The thought of a sweep makes my toes curl, the thought of shitting yourself in labour and having your legs up in stirrups so everyone can stare at your bits!

and then afterwards, not being able to go to the toilet without it stinging or if you tear front to back! Ouch!

people think it’s wonderful, I just think it’s grim!😂
Yes. I remember in primary school during sex ed we were shown a video of a woman giving birth. I had to leave the room 😂. That's when I first thought "duck that" and realised I didn't want kids.
What an absolute horror.

I do not think the dangers of labour are spoken about to be honest, or pregnancy in general. Women give birth and are then left pissing themselves. The lack of focus on pelvic floor health is shocking.

I had a catheter for surgery once and peeing after that was torture. I can't imagine what that or doing a poop would be like after having a baby.
 
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I was at the birth of my eldest nephew. I'm glad I did it. It was pretty cool while simultaneously being the most horrific thing I've ever seen. 😂
 
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Does anyone else also get repulsed by labour and that’s a contributing factor to not wanting kids?

the whole idea of how undignified it is really is off putting. The thought of a sweep makes my toes curl, the thought of shitting yourself in labour and having your legs up in stirrups so everyone can stare at your bits!

and then afterwards, not being able to go to the toilet without it stinging or if you tear front to back! Ouch!

people think it’s wonderful, I just think it’s grim!😂
I started realizing I probably shouldn't have kids when I kept seeing celebrities use other women to (forget the proper word) get pregnant for them and nannies to take care of the child and thought - yeah that's the way I'd have a child. But can't imagine taking care of it myself?
 
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I started realizing I probably shouldn't have kids when I kept seeing celebrities use other women to (forget the proper word) get pregnant for them and nannies to take care of the child and thought - yeah that's the way I'd have a child. But can't imagine taking care of it myself?
women get so shamed for that. There is an influencer who's podcast I used to listen to. She is very open about the fact that she has nannies (2 for her 3 kids) and her parents live with her. People really shame her for it all over social media and it's like okay? It's not like she's packing her kids off to boarding school when they're 6 and seeing them for 8 weeks a year. The kids are being looked after by 2 women who are like family to them and she is there with them too a lot of the time too. The kids are happy, the nannies are happy, the family are happy, what's the issue?
 
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I think it’s surrogates rather than nannies that are the problem. I have huge issues with surrogacy.
 
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I think it’s surrogates rather than nannies that are the problem. I have huge issues with surrogacy.
Agreed. I don't mind so much when it's a family member or a friend but exploitation shouldn't be allowed, e.g when rich couples pay poor women.
 
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Agreed. I don't mind so much when it's a family member or a friend but exploitation shouldn't be allowed, e.g when rich couples pay poor women.
I agree. Even with a surrogate, three nannies and two cleaners, I still wouldn’t have children though!
 
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