Candice Brathwaite

[Spilttea]

I’m not white, not middle class and to me she comes across as self satisfied, landed on her feet,smug and a very nasty piece of work.

Defensive to the extreme and no doubt riding the crest of wave in terms of representation and diversity. The same white middle class people she can barely stand and who she spits venom on with every post are the ones tripping over themselves to work with her to show how woke and with it they are. But how long before the tide turns? The tide always turns.

She can’t write for shit, there is knowing your own worth, loving yourself and then there is Gemma Collins. She has veered too far to the GC side of things. Sis if the white woman giveth she can also take it away. Learn some humility and some grace. You aren’t Maya Angelou you are shilling tat, making coin on an image that will no doubt be your ultimate downfall. Hope you have savings.

 

[Stargazer]

I think being a pimp is horrendous and exploitative, but if she came out and owned it, I’d have respect for her. But she hasn’t told the truth (this is not the first time).

Full disclosure; I’m not a CB fan, I did try, but there are many reasons I just can’t follow her.

The WORST thing for me, the true showing of her character, is that while she is suffering (and to be fair she may well be suffering - she’s probably embarrassed about the revelations and really offended by CH) she’s still prepared to publicly bury someone else under a bus and step on them to get ahead. Even if someone has really hurt you, which im sure CH has, it’s still really vindictive, particularly given the platform she has. She is basically saying it’s ok to behave like that. It’s so vindictive and vindictiveness is not a sign of a kind soul.

You can forgive someone and prefer to no longer have them as part of your life; I would understand if she did that to CH, she would be so within her rights and everyone would get it and support that, but it feels like she has this rage about what someone like CH represents (again, this may be understandable), but there’s no effort to work towards love, collaboration, overcoming. It’s about punishing, humiliating, calling people out. In the end, that rage will swallow CB more than it will swallow anyone else. We will NEVER beat racism by excluding white women from the debate. Racism is actually a white issue. Yes, it’s exhausting. Yes, it’s not fair. But we can’t make progress by lying down and staying in that place. We HAVE to be able to talk about it. We have to be able to have these debates and not be screeched at for saying the wrong thing.

Also, you can say something racist and not BE a racist. You can say something and be really sorry. You can say something and change your mind. You can say something and then learn better and do better next time. But cancelling someone forever does not show that we are very cool at all as a species.

Candice could lead the narrative towards a truly positive outcome. The fact that she isn’t, that she’s swirling around in her gifted dress and dancing on someone’s “insta grave” is fucking bullshit. Unkind bullshit. And I think she’s a big bully too. Just like she’s accusing Clemmie of being.

 

[Newbiegg]

Hang on, that’s not true. I unfollowed Candice ages ago because she DOES come across as very aggressive. I unfollowed Caroline Hirons for exactly the same reason. Nothing to do with race, and I really resent that someone is exempt from being called out on their aggression just because they’re black.

This is what really bugs me too. It’s a really funny thing, because as a black woman myself I would see her posts/stories and they would enrage me. There are very few women of colour in the popular ‘insta mum’ tribe, and i hate the fact that she is the best we have for ‘representation’. She’s an embarrassment. She IS aggressive, some of the things she says are horrific and I feel that if a white woman said some of these things, there would be uproar. The ‘pulling throat out through vagina’ quote springs to mind.
Now with all this Pimp/sex worker stuff, I just cannot get my head around how she’s managed to spin this so well. I think the others are definitely intimidated by her.

 

[Peluna]

Candice Brathwaite #2: She’s not any old ex-pimp, she’s an M&S (sponsored) ex-pimp

 

[Shaza78]

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Organised motherhoods stories on racism are really good, I’d have thought this is the kind of thing CB wants

I posted that on her ask me! I’m a “person of colour” and I found organised motherhoods post of racism not only brave and honest something a lot of these influencers are lacking. I used to love Candice but this attitude lately no I’m not feeling it. And like I said I am also a person of colour I have also suffered racism my whole life so I too like candice carry that chip on my shoulder. In fact im Muslim so that gives me the right to have a double chip but it does not give me the right to be a rude bitch!

 

[Goldeneye]

I had to sign up after reading this place for a while. For a time I liked CB and thought she was good. But as a WOC I think she does more harm than good. Constantly bringing race into it when it's just not relevant. It helps reinforce racism by wanting special treatment because of her race. There are issues in society but this all just feels like pitting people against people. Her lack of content or anything else to give her a USP makes her just focus on race and I wish she was more rounded and balanced.

 

[shopgirlmama]

Really not a fan of CB at all. At first when I found her Instagram I was so happy to see some diversity finally on Instagram! But reading her content, and her aggressiveness, her constant anger and self-entitlement left me very uncomfortable.

I think she does good work with the make motherhood diverse stuff, without question, it's so needed. But her personally, I have no interest in anymore. Her behaviour and dismissive attitude does nothing to help progress an important message on equality, and respect.

I couldn't care less if she did have an escort business, you can definitely tell she will always be the type of person looking at generating money from different avenues, but I agree, why not share your story with others, no one is asking for it to be an attempt to fetishise her background, but it's definitely not this 'urban cool woke mama' vibe she wants to promote now.

I also say all this as a very mixed race woman, who is married to a husband who is South Asian, and raising my even MORE (lol) mixed race child. It is deeply troubling that these are the women that want to be the 'face' of showing diversity in motherhood. I have loved ones and friends of every single race, we don't speak about cultures or people the way she does!

She's the ultimate troll.

 

[Spilttea]

This is what really bugs me too. It’s a really funny thing, because as a black woman myself I would see her posts/stories and they would enrage me. There are very few women of colour in the popular ‘insta mum’ tribe, and i hate the fact that she is the best we have for ‘representation’. She’s an embarrassment. She IS aggressive, some of the things she says are horrific and I feel that if a white woman said some of these things, there would be uproar. The ‘pulling throat out through vagina’ quote springs to mind.
Now with all this Pimp/sex worker stuff, I just cannot get my head around how she’s managed to spin this so well. I think the others are definitely intimidated by her.

This!

Not white, not middle class, don’t tick any of the usual instamum follower boxes and she (CB) annoys me no end. She is a fucking embarrassment because she is aggressive, she is rude, she has zero class and even less self awareness and she will shut you down if you call her out on any of her many lies and embellishments.

This isn’t about her race, this about her coming across as a thoroughly dislikeable person who will step on anyone and use anything to get to the world of designer shoes and freebies.

She doesn’t care about making motherhood diverse, she cares about getting Candi a seat at the top insta mum table.

 

[Pommes]

Candice’s Notting Hill carnival post really annoyed me. I go to carnival almost every year. I have done so since I was small. On every street you will see the police celebrating with the revellers, they are dancing and draped in flags from the Caribbean. It is an excellent festival for bridging a gap between the people and the Met. Candice would have seen this. It is impossible not to. Yet she chose to post an inflammatory video of one man (who WAS suspiciously dressed on one of the hottest days of the year) being searched. The police at carnival do a brilliant job of keeping the community safe. Her video is such a slap in the face of excellent policing. Police forces across the UK had, and in some places still have, a dreadful reputation for institutional racism (I have first-hand experience of this) but the example here is very much posted for Candice’s own agenda.

 

[Pommes]

I partly agree with Candice’s message here. I felt uncomfortable reading a MN thread last night, with the majority of posters declaring ‘they would’. Stormzy is 72 years old is 25 years old. The same age as Justin Bieber. It screamed of middle-aged women (from all backgrounds) trying to be woke. HOWEVER, I am astounded by the audacity of Candice who worked as an escort Madame... making money from selling young women’s bodies. Sexualised comments about Stormzy is 72 years old are not on, but making money from women selling sex is? How does that add up?!

 

[SequinnedElephant]

the doc makes it clear that Candice was an escort. The facts of life are that sex is big business, it will happen regardless of the law and whilst being a “pimp” is massively problematic, i do think that women running their own escort agency, with a history of escorting themselves is probably a safer option. Its not great no, but remember that the doc is a snapshot of time, clearly the agency didn’t take off as Candice turned to instafame. Its easy to dislike Candice especially with women like MOD pushing her (racist) rhetoric that Candice is “aggressive” (something no white instamum would be dubbed) but the fact is that Candices journey here is VERY different to the rest of the carbon copy instamums that have risen in popularity. I do think that MOD should carry some of the blame here and i do think we’ll see more of the dirt she has on the other instahuns drop as the weeks go on to deflect from her own screw up.

Hang on, that’s not true. I unfollowed Candice ages ago because she DOES come across as very aggressive. I unfollowed Caroline Hirons for exactly the same reason. Nothing to do with race, and I really resent that someone is exempt from being called out on their aggression just because they’re black.

 

[Hairana]

I followed CB off the back of the MMD page, thinking I'd learn something about race and motherhood, trying to do "the work" as a privileged white woman, but I've reached the conclusion that there's nothing to learn there.

I see her comment on the Peanut post that she nearly gave up on MMD because her "personal career began to develop". That career appears to consist of relentless self promotion, asking for free stuff, and making Manolo Blahniks somehow look bad, peppered with the odd sprinkling of racism.

There are brilliant black women and WOC on Instagram who inform and inspire, and I hate that a social-climber and pimp is attempting to align herself with their cause.

 

[AfroCircus]

If I remember correctly from the doc which has now mysteriously disappeared, ‘Candy’ and another woman were ‘escorts and entrepreneurs’ who acted as Madams in an escort agency. This was from the time of that Billie Piper show about ‘high-class escorts’ so I suppose that was the influence. ‘Candy’ was also seen posing nude in a fur coat so, yes, absolutely on the game herself.

If anyone wants to see a REAL insight into prostitution, I recommend watching the BBC iPlayer documentary about Britain’s red-light district. It’s mostly drug addicts having sex for a fiver, being manipulated by men around them and sharing deeply depressing stories of childhood trauma. That is the reality of sex work for the vast majority of women around the world. Anyone who tries to glamourise it or promote it as an ‘entrepreneur’ is scum and a misogynist in my opinion.

 

[SilverSpoonNotIncluded]

Black people calling out white privilege and racism they experience is not racism, we as white people are not oppressed! They (Black people) can be rude, offensive etc but racism is a social construct. The Doctor Mummy, like many people of colour, aren’t responsible for educating us on racism and white privilege - I don’t blame her for not wanting to just tell someone what work they need to do. They don’t owe you that! And her having a white husband doesn’t mean she can’t also call out racism or white privilege in others, I’m baffled why loving and making a family with a white person means she can’t? That’s like saying if a white person dates a black person they can’t possibly be racist - they absolutely can!!!!

 

[TheWitchIsBack]

She doesn’t half talk some shite.

Weirdly constructed, grammatically offensive shite.

 

[SilverSpoonNotIncluded]

Racism is a social structure that allows white people to benefit and hold power, her being derogatory about white people or white privilege isn’t the same thing.

 

[Basicbasic]

My two pence worth is this, a documentary by jodie Marsh on TLC should not be held up as a beacon of investigative journalism that holds any kind of authenticity or reflection of how the world of sex working/escorting truly works. And I say this as someone who used to work with sex workers from a public health perspective, and would regularly visit off street brothels and work with women who sold sex on the street.

The role of madam/pimp doesn't really exist.
There is a kind of business model (if you like) whereby more experienced or older sex workers would ensure younger and less experienced workers were safe and not being ripped or or putting themselves in vulnerable situations. It's not pretty or pleasant but it's the reality of sex work.

Both types of women selling sex are vulnerable in their own way and one should not be seen as more worthy of a victim status than the other. They both are.

However, this won't make for a good dialogue on a jodie Marsh documentary on a trash TV show.

I understand that Candice explained her role as a madam but to truly explain and go into the workings of selling sex takes a lot of time, and needs a non judgemental audience willing to listen and to try and understand it.

In addition, some of our best volunteers and employees within 3rd sector agencies who worked with sex workers, were themselves ex sex workers. I valued their previous experience and they could see things from a perspective I couldn't, having not sold sex myself. Some of them would probably be viewed as having previously been pimps/madams but I worked alongside them and valued them as work colleagues. And would have happily gone for after work drinks or had them over to my house.

I feel this 'revelation' about candice is simply a way to distract from MOD having been outed as a bully

Cb is that you? For what it's worth there's an absolute world of difference in being the explored sex worker vs being the pimp exploiter.

 

[FannyPannyBananny]

I love how everyone is all, MOD outed Candice as a pimp/prostitute, blah blah blah. Ummmm, noooo Candice outed herself by doing a f*cking documentary about it. So brave. So so brave. Candice cares about one thing and one thing only, cold hard cash and she has freely admitted it. And apparently, that has always been the case. She used to harp on and on about how money would give her children the opportunities necessary to raise them up in society. Ok then, go out and work your ass off like the rest of us so you can give these opportunities to your kids. But that's the thing, she doesn't actually want to work hard, she wants the insta freebie life, the easy money - and her previous career choice only illustrates that further. She's always been about the easy money, not the hard work bit. I throw up a little in my mouth every time these instahuns talk about their "career" and how they are "working". Mate, you're posting photos on insta, that's NOT working.

 

[Pommes]

If you disagree with Candice and you are white, you are racist. If you disagree and you are black, it is a betrayal of your race

Everyone must just agree with Candice and her agenda pushing, dubiously evidenced views.

 

[teebag]

I don't know why anyone bothers with the pretence anymore. It is so patronising. They might as well just hold up a bottle of persil/make up/whatever and say 'They gave me some money to persuade you to buy this,. So buy some please and let me get more coin. Thanks in advance'