Could not agree more with this!! Cosmic scousers I call them with a huge chip on their shoulder. Also, I can't bare the notion that Liverpool is this big, diverse, multicultural city that is beaming at the seams with diversity - it's just not. I grew up in L8 all my family and 80% of my friends are from L8. I moved to a school in Allerton (when I was younger obv) and boy was I made to feel like the only "coloured" one, because that's what I was. My fella is from the North End and when I first took him to meet my family he was gobsmacked over the cultural differences. He couldn't believe that families had actual proper, homemade cooked dishes and not "the chippy" or, chicken and chips threw in the oven. Honestly the divide in Liverpool is absolutely night and day. The small, passive colorist remarks I've had from my OWN people in Liverpool has shocked me, never had nothings like it when I've visited Manchester, London etc.
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Where is it I’ll go get a pic of it for everyone
Sean’s defence are right, everything Ashley was saying come from Lee and Liv, two unreliable shitbags who haven’t done anything to help bring her to justice. Also Liv thriving on drama, we all know that’s true when she started shagging Dusty to cause murder with Sean knowing how he’d react the daft slag
I’m actually understanding Zest’s defence, it really is all fitting
If I was on that jury I’d be second guessing Sean, granted he’s a scumbag who’s battered women in the past but with no previous links to anything and the fact he was always close with Lee I’d be so undecided. I reckon Witham and Niall 10000% guilty but the rest I’d be questioning
The defence are doing a good job, but they did with Cashmans too. The nature of murder is that it's a pretty private enterprise so stories can be spun to fill in the blanks. Sean staying mates with both the Lee and Branch side of the barny means nothing. That's exactly what you'd do if you wanted to know someone's wearabouts and movements if you were part of a plan to bump them off. Two faced is the least of his character flaws.
Lee hasn’t told Ashley about the witham trouble, because she was probably carrying on over the Barry trouble and he couldn’t be arsed to tell her and make it worse.
At the end of the day, she’s dead because of him. He should have been there to answer for himself the little rat man
Liv… I’m sorry but if my mate was killed it wouldn’t have taken me until 4/5 months later to talk to the police .
At the end of the day, she’s dead because of him. He should have been there to answer for himself the little rat man
Liv… I’m sorry but if my mate was killed it wouldn’t have taken me until 4/5 months later to talk to the police .
Its a difficult one for the jury, witham and peers are bang to rights, they have to me proven that peers was driving and not witham. The cctv being binned from peers house too.
Zeiss and fitzgibbon are a bit tricky from the coverage I've seen as it's based on them being at the flat and I'm still unsure who is telling the truth about the beef? Those two were hanging about with Lee too. Liv is a wee rat, Ashley even said she's gives her anxiety. I do believe that Barry sourced the gun for Witham, the whole big dave little dave was ridiculous. Ashley mentions branch a lot in the voice notes but obviously Lee never mentioned any beef with witham. Guess it gave witham an excuse to shoot Lee.
Zeiss and fitzgibbon are a bit tricky from the coverage I've seen as it's based on them being at the flat and I'm still unsure who is telling the truth about the beef? Those two were hanging about with Lee too. Liv is a wee rat, Ashley even said she's gives her anxiety. I do believe that Barry sourced the gun for Witham, the whole big dave little dave was ridiculous. Ashley mentions branch a lot in the voice notes but obviously Lee never mentioned any beef with witham. Guess it gave witham an excuse to shoot Lee.
Obviously everyone here gets that Liv isn't on trial but she's come out of this absolutely stinking. I think I'd be changing my name by deed poll if it had been bandied round such a big court case but these ppl have no shame. Using her name to promote a tacky af outfit too! Btw I went past her Private & Confidential shop the other day and it was being renovated like someone's took it over. The world of haute couture may never recover.
The fact police knew about the problem with Witham and Lee back in July 2022 aswell but apparently it was Niall’s beef that ignited it all, makes 0 senseLee hasn’t told Ashley about the witham trouble, because she was probably carrying on over the Barry trouble and he couldn’t be arsed to tell her and make it worse.
At the end of the day, she’s dead because of him. He should have been there to answer for himself the little rat man
Liv… I’m sorry but if my mate was killed it wouldn’t have taken me until 4/5 months later to talk to the police .
If it was her old shop in west derby she hasn’t got that no more. She’s based in town by the looks of it
P&C is down as dissolved on companies house as of June this year ..
And the address is for her accountant however she did put a post on IG saying about she’s moved shops
Witham is getting life. The others conspired but he's the bastard that went and did it and didn't abort the mission once it was obvious Lee wasn't in. If you have an insanely generous and naive juror you could get arguments when they retire around it was all bravado and boasts and they were all shocked when he went and did it but I don't see how anyone could buy complete ignorance of the plot. The fact they all tried to get off out the country straight after is damning evidence all on it's own.
So she’s closed one and reopened a new one same name just different companies house numbers..
Didn’t realise you could do that?
Didn’t realise you could do that?
Attachments
'Director'. Steady on Karl Lagerfeld.
There’s graffiti on the round about by west derby school ‘Ian fitz grass’ 
Baffles me what grown men are going round doing thisThere’s graffiti on the round about by west derby school ‘Ian fitz grass’
I’m going past later going to have a ganderGet us a picBaffles me what grown men are going round doing this
Still waiting for @sillydot to tell me where the dovey one is
I’m not swayed by the closing arguments. It’s obvious these are dangerous men that the Police want off the streets, so even if they’re innocent, I’ll be glad if they get found guilty.
Interesting the Kershaw fella has only escaped because he left the flat beforehand but he’s obviously another one on their radar.
I hope karma also bites Lee on the arse sooner rather than later.
They should be prosecuted for their stupid no grassing mantra. They all knew he’d done it and they didn’t grass him up.
Interesting the Kershaw fella has only escaped because he left the flat beforehand but he’s obviously another one on their radar.
I hope karma also bites Lee on the arse sooner rather than later.
They should be prosecuted for their stupid no grassing mantra. They all knew he’d done it and they didn’t grass him up.
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