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I loved that vlog where Zalfie went to that massive mall with his mum and when they sat down to eat, Zoe brought up marriage and children and Big Mandy instantly interrupted and told Alfie "but not before you turn 30" in a very stern voice to which Zoe defeatedly answered with a quiet "yeah".I used to have a friend who was in a Brighton choir a few years ago which Alfie’s mum was in. She told me once after choir practice someone was talking about weddings as they’d recently got engaged and they commented how Zoe would make a lovely bride and Amanda commented ‘well yes, that’s if they get married’ but it was said in really sarcastic way as if she didn’t want anyone and especially Zoe marrying her precious son.
Any idea what vlog this is in?
I wonder if it's every occurred to her that Alfie wouldn't be doing so well (financially) if it weren't for Zoe... If Zoe had gotten wise years ago and left him, he would not have half of the things he does now.
The biggest of all Mandys that have ever lived could never believe her son's "fame", if you can call it that, and wealth come from Zoe. Without her he'd be even less of a nothing sandwich than he is now. At least the other Brit guys had some kind of talent or plan to fall back on. Imagine Alfie, never getting with Zoe, still making chicken nugget challenges because he's too inept to make any kind of real content.
I can't believe she said that, and in front of Zoe as well! Alfie is an adult, she doesn't get a say in his life anymore. Don't get me wrong, I find Zoe's relationship with Alfie's family a bit much but she seems to at least try and treat them well, sometimes it even seems like she makes more of an effort with them then she does her own family. Maybe that conversation is part of the reason why though.
i agree! i recently watched vlogs from when they were still living in their old house and you can tell that he was absolutely smitten - beaming every time she spoke/he spoke about her, always teasing (fun and light, not mean and sarcastic like he does now) and cuddly with her. so he was capable of showing romantic feelings for her. it's clear how far their relationship has slipped.
I wonder if there is some level of enmeshment in the Deyes family. Nothing wrong with being a close family and doing things together, but it’s as though no one has moved on from that nuclear family unit even as adults, and the partners the children make just get brought into the Deyes family to the point where they almost seem isolated from others.
When you look at everything:
— Main summer holiday as adults being taken with the entire family (even with the adult children in couples and both able to easily afford holidays on their own), at least in pre-COVID years
— The main friendship group being the siblings, Alfie in particular not branching out to meaningful adult friendships of his own… we’ve commented for years that Alfie and Zoe and Poppy and Sean would almost spend too much time together, and their social lives revolve around each other, holidays taken together, etc. Poppy has that weird obsession with Zoe, etc.
— Christmas (and other holidays) spent with the Deyes, recreating childhood set-up, no real inclusion of Zoe or Sean’s family and seemingly an aversion to changing the nuclear family unit. Alfie always looks uncomfortable visiting Zoe’s family, like a high school boy who shows up to his teenage girlfriend’s family get together, not an adult man who understands Zoe’s family is his family now, too.
— Alfie getting matching tattoos with both his parents lol
— Alfie and Poppy both appearing to mirror their parents’ marriage timeline and Alfie justifying his decisions by bringing up his parents and how they didn’t get married until late in life.
— Alfie’s mom making that remark about not having a baby/marriage until 30 as though she has a right to dictate the timeline of her adult son’s partnership, or as though they were two teenagers talking about getting pregnant and not two adults (Add to this her horrified face in the background when it looked like Alfie was proposing that time he got Zoe fireworks).
I almost wonder if so many of his issues around Zoe have to do with an unhealthy attachment to his family and his sense of himself as belonging to that family unit and perhaps feeling as the only way to do things what his family believes in and encourages— and in a way it has contributed to his kind of juvenile mindset.
When you look at everything:
— Main summer holiday as adults being taken with the entire family (even with the adult children in couples and both able to easily afford holidays on their own), at least in pre-COVID years
— The main friendship group being the siblings, Alfie in particular not branching out to meaningful adult friendships of his own… we’ve commented for years that Alfie and Zoe and Poppy and Sean would almost spend too much time together, and their social lives revolve around each other, holidays taken together, etc. Poppy has that weird obsession with Zoe, etc.
— Christmas (and other holidays) spent with the Deyes, recreating childhood set-up, no real inclusion of Zoe or Sean’s family and seemingly an aversion to changing the nuclear family unit. Alfie always looks uncomfortable visiting Zoe’s family, like a high school boy who shows up to his teenage girlfriend’s family get together, not an adult man who understands Zoe’s family is his family now, too.
— Alfie getting matching tattoos with both his parents lol
— Alfie and Poppy both appearing to mirror their parents’ marriage timeline and Alfie justifying his decisions by bringing up his parents and how they didn’t get married until late in life.
— Alfie’s mom making that remark about not having a baby/marriage until 30 as though she has a right to dictate the timeline of her adult son’s partnership, or as though they were two teenagers talking about getting pregnant and not two adults (Add to this her horrified face in the background when it looked like Alfie was proposing that time he got Zoe fireworks).
I almost wonder if so many of his issues around Zoe have to do with an unhealthy attachment to his family and his sense of himself as belonging to that family unit and perhaps feeling as the only way to do things what his family believes in and encourages— and in a way it has contributed to his kind of juvenile mindset.
Some good points there. the Christmas one gets on my nerves how EVERY year its HIS family at the house and never Zoe's. I know we have mentioned it could be to do with her parents divorce but even so why not have her mum there one year and then her dad maybe boxing day? they don't even do his family AND Zoe's mum/hubby its always just his family.
Not sure about main friendship groups as Poppy does seem to have a lot of friends apart from Zoe but she doesn't show them. Zoe's friends aside from Mark are all Alfie's mates GF/Wives.
Right that’s it Zoes going to be having baby number 2 to steal her limelight…
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Because they did it…. Some parents always think there kids should follow suit with everything the do. Like I can imagine Alfie has a real “mother knows best complex” tbh I’ve always found there relationship to be weird and Alfie definitely comes across a sheltered middle class child with a mollycoddled upbringing. Almost like his parents where so over bearing he hasn’t learnt about the outside would. Exhibit A: the one pound video. He’s just tone deaf about real struggle because his parents sheltered him so much.
I don't think it's weird that they go on holiday as a family but every holiday as a family is strange. It also seems like Zoe and Alfie can't really go anywhere by themselves even if it's just for the weekend. I think Alfie and Zoe probably depend on Poppy and Sean more than the other way round when it comes to socialising. Poppy was just away for her friends hens and I'm sure Sean has his own mates as well. Actually, I'd say it's Zoe that depends on that friendship the most as Alfie still has friends from when he was younger.
The Christmas thing is what gets me the most though. I get that because Zoe's parents are divorced it makes things a little trickier but most people find ways round that, whether it's going to one house in the morning and the other in the afternoon/ evening or one on Christmas Day and the other on St. Stephen's Day. My sister and her husband alternate every year. So last year they were at her in laws for breakfast and then my parents for dinner. They could easily do one year in their house with Alfie's family and then the next year back where Zoe grew up. When was the last time she was back home for Christmas Day?
AFAIK, Zoe has never been home for Christmas Day since she's been with Alfie. Even in the 2013 vlogmas videos she goes there for Christmas Eve to Brighton in her vlog and is there for the next day. Maybe in 2012 she was with her family, but she didn't vlog that so we don't know for sure.
Poppy and Sean went to Uni and mixed with other people unlike Alfie and Zoe who have seen nothing but life through a lens for all of their adult life. You tube has a lot to answer for.
Plus the first time she was at Alfie's for Christmas Day they have only been dating for a couple of months
Given the age gap between them, I wonder if Amanda had a view of Zoe as some 'older' woman stealing her son away from her. He was like 18 or 19 when they met and still living at home. And Zoe moved to Brighton like a year into them dating right? And they bought the house a year after that I think? 3 and a half years isn't huge but when you're 18 or 19 I think it makes more of a difference. Especially with Alfie's maturity levels lol. Maybe her opinion of Zoe hasn't changed much since that time, even though the relationship and power dynamics have obviously evolved quite a bit. She just seem like a nightmare MIL tbh.
I definitely agree that Amanda seems like she’d be pretty controlling. But she does seem to have an ok relationship with Zoe and Sean. They joke around between them and from what we see in vlogs she seems to treat them like part of the family.
She’s obviously got an opinion on what her kids should be doing and wants then to follow in her footsteps. But I’d imagine that if she wasn’t a fan of Zoe then Zoe wouldn’t have made it much past the first date…
To me she seems like the type to favour Alfie since he’s the son. So I’d imagine she’s more controlling with him. It would explain why poppy is so loud and obnoxious all the time, she’s probably grown up trying to get mums attention away from the golden boy.
She’s obviously got an opinion on what her kids should be doing and wants then to follow in her footsteps. But I’d imagine that if she wasn’t a fan of Zoe then Zoe wouldn’t have made it much past the first date…
To me she seems like the type to favour Alfie since he’s the son. So I’d imagine she’s more controlling with him. It would explain why poppy is so loud and obnoxious all the time, she’s probably grown up trying to get mums attention away from the golden boy.
I think they've both been round long enough for Amanda to realise they're probably not going anywhere. Amanda wouldn't be alone in favouring the son over a daughter. Irish sons would be seen the same way by their mammy's.
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