Which news story has always stuck with you?

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The case that has always stayed with me was the murder of Karen Buckley in Glasgow. Poor girl just on an innocent night out with her friends to have her life taken in such a brutal way šŸ˜” she would have been so excited to move to Glasgow only for it that prick Pacteau to end it. I think it resonated with a lot of Irish people at the time as so many are abroad etc. She reminded me of myself and my friends. I often think of her.
 
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Iā€™ve just rewatched American murder: the family next door. Wow, itā€™s just heartbreaking how he killed his wife and unborn son and his little girls, I donā€™t understand why he did it at allšŸ˜¢.
 
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I remember that. It was harrowing thinking of her having to deal with that
The mum sadly died too eventually. Tragic

Iā€™ve just rewatched American murder: the family next door. Wow, itā€™s just heartbreaking how he killed his wife and unborn son and his little girls, I donā€™t understand why he did it at allšŸ˜¢.
That case Iā€™ve followed intently and I read the whole transcript of all the evidence. Just makes no sense at all, heā€™s not your typical murderer
 
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Gareth Williams. He was a mathematician for GCHQ who was on secondment to MI6. He was found zipped up in a bag padlocked from the outside.

I think it was eventually concluded that from a police investigation it was an accident even though the coroner said it was virtually impossible for him to have locked himself inside the bag. I think it has also been suggested that there was Russian interference.
 
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I should not have found this thread šŸ˜± I'm never leaving the house again!
For me, more recently, it's the case of the Turpin family in the US who kept their 13 children shackled to their beds- some were even in their 20s. I'd heard about stories like that from years ago and on TV shows like Oprah but it's the first time I'd seen a news story like it unfold in real time. I always think about where they are today and if they're managing to recover at all.
 
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Did anyone watch The Trial Of Louise Woodward last night? I remember that so clearly but I'd forgotten what the outcome was. The way she giggled when on the stand was so odd. Wondering what other people's opinions on whether she did it or not are?
 
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Did anyone watch The Trial Of Louise Woodward last night? I remember that so clearly but I'd forgotten what the outcome was. The way she giggled when on the stand was so odd. Wondering what other people's opinions on whether she did it or not are?
I mind watching a documentary about that cult in Brixton, and the girl who had grown up in it. She giggles a lot when talking about all the awful things she experienced. The team who work with her and helping her adjust go in to detail explaining this is not her finding anything funny, but just overcome with trauma. Not saying its the case for Louise Woodward, but just people can have some strange reactions, but it might be beyond their control, and not representative of how they feel.
 
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I mind watching a documentary about that cult in Brixton, and the girl who had grown up in it. She giggles a lot when talking about all the awful things she experienced. The team who work with her and helping her adjust go in to detail explaining this is not her finding anything funny, but just overcome with trauma. Not saying its the case for Louise Woodward, but just people can have some strange reactions, but it might be beyond their control, and not representative of how they feel.
Oh yeah I agree, they did say she was a nervous giggler, still seemed very odd in a very serious court setting.
 
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I watched the trial because I was off sick. Iā€™d actually looked into Au Pairing before realising who in their right mind would leave a teenager in charge of their children for long days like the agency advertised. They needed a proper nanny.
I always got weird vibes from Matthewā€™s mother. I donā€™t believe Louise murdered him.
 
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I should not have found this thread šŸ˜± I'm never leaving the house again!
For me, more recently, it's the case of the Turpin family in the US who kept their 13 children shackled to their beds- some were even in their 20s. I'd heard about stories like that from years ago and on TV shows like Oprah but it's the first time I'd seen a news story like it unfold in real time. I always think about where they are today and if they're managing to recover at all.
I canā€™t believe what Iā€™ve just readā€¦ I canā€™t even imagine what those poor children went through, I feel sick šŸ¤¢.
 
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I should not have found this thread šŸ˜± I'm never leaving the house again!
For me, more recently, it's the case of the Turpin family in the US who kept their 13 children shackled to their beds- some were even in their 20s. I'd heard about stories like that from years ago and on TV shows like Oprah but it's the first time I'd seen a news story like it unfold in real time. I always think about where they are today and if they're managing to recover at all.
Isnā€™t there a interview coming out this week with a couple of the children?
 
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Isnā€™t there a interview coming out this week with a couple of the children?
Yes! I looked them up after I posted that and I think it's on the 19th with two of the sisters. They both look really well which is nice.
 
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Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Was about the same age at the time. Can remember it vividly. Will never forget either.
 
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I canā€™t believe what Iā€™ve just readā€¦ I canā€™t even imagine what those poor children went through, I feel sick šŸ¤¢.
Itā€™s awful isnā€™t it?! There is a Turpin sisters interview on a 20/20 special with Diane Sawyer. The girls seem so articulate. I wonder what the other siblings are like nowā€¦hope they are getting rehabilitation and love. I imagine the parents canā€™t understand why they are being punished as they seemed to deem their actions as appropriateā€¦clearly not.
 
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One that always pops into my mind is Rachel Whitear and the photo released after her death. Suspicious as well in regard to if she was the one who injected the overdose.
 
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Itā€™s awful isnā€™t it?! There is a Turpin sisters interview on a 20/20 special with Diane Sawyer. The girls seem so articulate. I wonder what the other siblings are like nowā€¦hope they are getting rehabilitation and love. I imagine the parents canā€™t understand why they are being punished as they seemed to deem their actions as appropriateā€¦clearly not.
I canā€™t understand why the parents did it, have they actually said? Itā€™s just bizarre, clearly it was some kind of control thing, but I just find the pictures of them at Disneyland disturbing. Pair of sickos.
 
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I canā€™t understand why the parents did it, have they actually said? Itā€™s just bizarre, clearly it was some kind of control thing, but I just find the pictures of them at Disneyland disturbing. Pair of sickos.
As a forensic psychologist, this is why I think David and Louise Turpin may have held their children captive

Large families do tend either to be chaotic or to develop ritualistic processes. Is it possible that, as the Turpinsā€™ finances cycled ever more out of control, they became increasingly coercive in their attempts to handle the situation they had created for themselves?

David Canter
Tuesday 16 January 2018 16:19

A widely publicised Facebook image of David and Louise Turpin with their 13 children is notable for the standard, red T-shirts and blue jeans they are all wearing. At first glance there is nothing especially unusual about the picture other than the large number of children. It fits their neighboursā€™ comments that this was a seemingly normal family, quiet and undemanding.

At the back, Allen Turpin stands grinning with his mop-head haircut. His wife stands below him, holding their youngest child in her arms, also with a wide smile. It is easy to believe what the lawyers who had had contact with them in earlier years said: there was nothing untoward about them.

The family lived together in a peaceful, well-heeled street about 60 miles south of Los Angeles. The insignificant house had been listed as a private school in 2011, with David Turpin as its principal. He had been an engineer working for the well-established firm Northrup Grumman, but had declared himself bankrupt in the same year he set up the school. His lawyer said this had not been especially traumatic for the family, just a tidying up of their commitments.

Yet one of the girls in this photograph had the wit to run from the house and call the police yesterday. She said that she and her siblings were being held captive against their will.

When the local sheriff investigated, he found some of the children manacled and chained to beds. The conditions they were in were described as filthy, although the details of that horror have not been made public. Neighbours said the children looked emaciated when taken away by the Sheriff, who commented that he was surprised how old some of them were because in their deprived state they looked much younger. A 17-year-old was initially thought to be around 10.

It has emerged that the people held in the house ranged in age from two to 29 years ā€“ six children and seven adults kept in appalling conditions. Knowing all this, the Facebook photograph of all of them together posing in red T-shirts takes on a much more sinister appearance.

The children are numbered. It would seem that the numbering is in order of age. The little girl at the front wears a 12, the taller girls behind her are 3 and 5. They all wear the name ā€œThingā€ (ā€œThing 12ā€, ā€œThing 3ā€, ā€œThing 5ā€) perhaps in reference to a Dr Seuss book about two characters called Thing 1 and Thing 2. Here is a family that thinks itā€™s a joke to number everyone rather than give them names and refer to them as ā€œthingsā€.

The photograph of the family together at a chapel in Las Vegas when the couple renewed their marriage vows ā€“ something, it seems, they did fairly regularly ā€“ shows the considerable trouble they had gone to to dress all the daughters in identical plaid dresses and the sons in identical suits. Here is evidence of the children being treated as decorations for the parentsā€™ rituals. They also show that the Turpins were more than happy to display their anonymous brood, apparently unaware of the social implications of showing them off in such a strangely formulaic way.

Accounts of children being kept captive often relate either to them being part of sexual abuse, as brilliantly portrayed in the 2015 film Room or in the real-life case in Austria where Josef Fritzl kept a woman captive for 24 years and raped her numerous times, resulting in the birth of seven children. There is no suggestion of sexual abuse by the Turpins. And there are, in my experience, a number of different psychological reasons why parents might lock their children away from the world and hold them captive for long periods of time.

One possibility is that the parents wanted to keep their children away from the authorities for religious or other ideological reasons, or because they did not trust those outside the family. These situations have all the qualities of a cult in which the father usually acts as a patriarch who browbeats his wife and children into subservience. The Facebook photographs weā€™ve seen certainly have the look of a cult about them. Even their picture in Disneyland shows the children identically dressed.

David Turpin would not seem to have limited intelligence, having worked effectively for a major engineering company, nor does it seem likely that he had any obvious mental disturbance if he was able to hold down such a difficult and demanding job. It seems more probable that the coupleā€™s commitment to a large family, without much concern for the resources to look after them, was the starting point for the appalling conditions they have ended up with.

The Turpins are reported to have been married for 27 years, when David was 30 and Louise 22. Not an unusual age difference, but one compatible with him being a dominant man keen to be in control. The eldest person found in the house must have been born at least two years before the couple married, suggesting at the very least a commitment to raising a family from early on. David Turpinā€™s parents declared to the media today that the couple had a Christian calling to have many children.

Large families do tend either to be chaotic or to develop formal, often ritualistic, processes to manage day to day activities. Is it possible that, as the Turpinsā€™ finances cycled ever more out of control, they became increasingly coercive in their attempts to handle the situation they had created for themselves?

The world the Turpins created for their family had so little contact with others ā€“ Louise didnā€™t work, David was apparently not sociable and the children were home-schooled ā€“ that they may have considered their actions normal. Protecting their children from prying eyes became a way of life. They may have thought that what they were doing was right. But as time went on, they might have become more desperate and only able to control their offspring with threats and chains.

Nevertheless, these children were not totally isolated from the world. At least one of them knew that what was happening to them was wrong. She had that understanding and the temerity to escape and call the police.

A great deal more about the circumstances of the Turpins will doubtless emerge as the case against them is presented to the court. How they managed to create the horrors in their house under the noses of their neighbours without raising any suspicions will become ever more manifest. The revealing world of their Facebook entries will be scrutinised for what the pictures are trying to hide, and will, perhaps, reveal more than anyone could have guessed at the time.

David Canter is an emeritus professor of investigative psychology at the University of Liverpool.


I think itā€™s been very hard for even psychologists to fathom their behaviour.
 
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There was an episode of Law & Order SVU on last night which was obv loosely based on the Turpin story. A very malnourished girl escapes from a house, police think she is in her teens but she is actually in her twenties, she is forced to go back home by her controlling dad, parents take the kids out bowling, like a happy family day out, neighbours barely saw the children outside, when a policewoman enters the house she finds one of the children shackled to a radiator.
I thought it was a real coincidence after reading about the Turpin story on here then seeing that episode!
 
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