Not sure how saying “women and people with a cervix” is not being inclusive? What is there to work on in that instance?
Not sure how saying “women and people with a cervix” is not being inclusive? What is there to work on in that instance?I agree it shouldn't erase people but we should also work on being inclusive.
I dont care if you're alienated, if you've made the decision to identify as a man you must be aware that you are originally a woman, and therefore have a cervix.But if you choose to identify as him / he but you still have a cervix you are at risk of cervical cancer too and will also need a smear test. If you just say woman surely it is alienating these people?
The NHS/any other health system still operates on biological fact. Whether you have changed your gender or not, if you have a cervix, the appropriate testing will be available to you. Calling women, women, doesn't change that.But if you choose to identify as him / he but you still have a cervix you are at risk of cervical cancer too and will also need a smear test. If you just say woman surely it is alienating these people?
Exactly. Whatever gender you identify as if you have a cervix you were born with female reproductive organs and that isn’t something that holds a belief, it’s a scientific biological fact.I dont care if you're alienated, if you've made the decision to identify as a man you must be aware that you are originally a woman, and therefore have a cervix.
Men who pretend to be women so they can rape etc are not really transgender. Surely people know that. It’s not just putting on a dress and away you go.I am not being deliberately anything. But if we take the concept of self identification to its literal end then we can all identify as ANYTHING. It is no more preposterous for me to self identify as a black man than it is for a man with a penis and testicles to wake up one day and decide that he identifies as a woman. I am not talking about genuine gender dysphoria, I am talking about the terrifying concept of men taking over women's spaces on a whim.
I am a woman. I have a cervix but I am not just a reductive person with a cervix and breasts, I am a woman and all the complexities that encompasses. A man dressing up does not know anything about being a woman; the fear of attack, abuse and everyday misogyny that is fuelling this nonsense. If we can change gender on a whim, why can't we change race? Or is misogyny less important to you than race?
The NHS/any other health system still operates on biological fact. Whether you have changed your gender or not, if you have a cervix, the appropriate testing will be available to you. Calling women, women, doesn't change that.
I agree that womanhood is more than just having the reproductive organs and isn't that the whole point?I am not being deliberately anything. But if we take the concept of self identification to its literal end then we can all identify as ANYTHING. It is no more preposterous for me to self identify as a black man than it is for a man with a penis and testicles to wake up one day and decide that he identifies as a woman. I am not talking about genuine gender dysphoria, I am talking about the terrifying concept of men taking over women's spaces on a whim.
I am a woman. I have a cervix but I am not just a reductive person with a cervix and breasts, I am a woman and all the complexities that encompasses. A man dressing up does not know anything about being a woman; the fear of attack, abuse and everyday misogyny that is fuelling this nonsense. If we can change gender on a whim, why can't we change race? Or is misogyny less important to you than race?
Men who pretend to be women so they can rape etc are not really transgender. Surely people know that. It’s not just putting on a dress and away you go.
I agree that womanhood is more than just having the reproductive organs and isn't that the whole point?
It is absolutely preposterous that you used a racist term to conflate gender identity with race. Using that term is never acceptable and it isn't comparable to someone who wants to identify with a societal concept of woman.
Yeah but the problem with the new definition of 'trans' is that we can't say that as 'everyone is who they say they are'Men who pretend to be women so they can rape etc are not really transgender. Surely people know that. It’s not just putting on a dress and away you go.
I agree with this.And the cervix thing is only one aspect, we're being referred to as birthing parents, pregnant people, chestfeeders. No thank you
Fuck Stonewall. Lobby groups always attract extremists. They don’t speak for anyone but themselves. People need to realise that and stop extrapolating their views to the rest of the trans community.No. But Stonewall are using them thus.
I apologise, I should not have used that term, sorry for any offense.
But the point still stands that if we can identify as any gender we should be able to identify as any race.
Yeah how dare a tiny minority demand the word mother be taken away from women because they don't like the word. The sheer nerve!I agree with this.
If someone wants to call themselves a birthing parent - they can- if they want to be referred to as such - they can tell the doctor and they’ll note that for them but i don’t think it should be the default term… it seems a bit… clinical??
Mother, father, guardian all sound a bit more familial if that makes sense.
Fuck Stonewall. Lobby groups always attract extremists. They don’t speak for anyone but themselves. People need to realise that and stop extrapolating their views to the rest of the trans community.
they kinda are though, just not directly. Every time an individual or organisation refers to “people” when “biological female” is what they mean, or when it becomes “parental clothing” instead of maternity wear. Or women publications and leaflets address women as “womxn”No one is stopping you from referring to yourself as a woman with a cervix
Since when did Stonewall become the authority on what people should be referred to ? Cross dressing isn’t the same as transgender. Most cross dressera are cisYeah but the problem with the new definition of 'trans' is that we can't say that as 'everyone is who they say they are'
The umbrella of trans (per Stonewall) has increased so much that it now includes cross dressers.
for now…! At leastThe NHS/any other health system still operates on biological fact.
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