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UO: Being a ‘full time mummy’ isn’t a job, just say you don’t work, which there is nothing wrong with. People who work 40 hour weeks are still full time parents, and don’t have it any easier because they spent their days at work 🤷🏻‍♀️ having a full time job and still having all parenting and household responsibilities is hard.

I’m also speaking about the type who have it listed as their job on Facebook 👀
I know what you mean but what about full time parents who are also full time carer's? (The position I find myself in)?
It's sometimes hard, frustrating and pretty relentless and I don't get to have time off or respite (zero family support either).
So without meaning to be controversial there is a huge difference say between mothers who are affluent and have a good standard of life and can pick and choose how to live their lives, and some others (like myself) who never really envisioned being a full time mum or carer and yet who find that (because of disabilities and health problems) have very little choice in the matter.
I feel like people like me are the forgotten (often Invisible) minority that aren't usually seen on social media (I try to keep my family life relatively private, except maybe on here, but then I can control and limit the information I divulge)?
I don't humble brag, I don't seek validation for this, but at the same time I just want to say that yes it is a full time job (often hard work).
Honestly not having a go at anyone (sometimes maybe I come across as defensive) but the isolation and loneliness of being defined by your health status (problems) and your children's sometimes gets me down and it's not always understood or even tolerated (yeah autism is often discriminated against) by other people. 🤷‍♀️

Sometimes life just has different plans and challenges and you know what, adversity can happen to anyone, and yes it's not what I dreamed about when younger, but at the same time it's taught me a lot about resilience and patience and never ever taking anything for granted and truly being grateful for what I have (Even though I admit it doesn't always come across that way).
When I see (for example) my autistic son, smile and laugh and make a joke and start to open up and express himself it melts my heart 💓.
It's something maybe others parents are used to, but for him to get to this level we had to climb mountains of obstacles.

So I think what a lot of women do is considered emotional labour (I think there is a whole theory attached to this , maybe I should read up on it?)
That's what a lot of women do, and it's often invisible not even tangible, and so hard to define or explain and yet those of us who put in all this effort, see the effects one way or another right?
In this day and age (as I said with zero family support or input, and I am not alone in this) being a mother is often hard (work) even if you don't have a (paid) job.
I think the point I am trying to make is, we are not just defined by our economic status or input.(despite efforts to make us think that way) ...unpaid labour also exists...and in its own way makes a contribution to the economy because just look at the cost of childcare, or hiring a cleaner, or nanny or chef or therapist etc etc
Yet women do all of these things and much much more, image if we said we were specialist's and we were going to charge (on the market) for all of our services? For example? I'm not advocating this, but just to illustrate a point)
Well frankly very few could afford us! Yet we often get devalued, overlooked and spoken down to, or not given credit or appreciation!
That's the sad reality for many, when in actual fact what we do is often incredibly useful, helpful, loving and beyond price.
Maybe if some of us started to value ourselves more for real and I include myself in this (I'm saying this with love not judgement because low confidence is often something that can creep up on people) then the urge to put the performative yummy mummy title or humble brag would just stop of its own accord, because there would be no need to seek validation from others (which is just a sign of insecurity anyway). 🤷‍♀️

At the same time feeling lonely, craving connection (especially from other adults) or feeling like you want to show that your lifestyle choices are valid can just be a thirst to be acknowledged and sometimes that's understandable, given that try as we might not all of us are living our best lives, and social media has hugely distorted some people's expectations of the life that they think they should be having (aspirational) versus the reality of the life they actually have (exhausting).
Aren't most of us just trying our best though at the end of the day? The urge to compare and contrast might exist but it's probably not that healthy and isn't life or society in general pretty judgemental of women and their choices anyway?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't and then many of us get indoctrinated to be people pleasers (socialisation can be strong) with the end result that you end up running around trying to be everything to everyone and failing in the process.

Mentally that's exhausting and takes its toll, no wonder then that when life feels like hard work, you're going to justify it, (survival) because it's an emotional investment you have made and it can often be draining and all consuming and unseen, that's the hidden (shadow side) of many women's lives I think. The one that rules the subconscious instincts, and that is really calling the shots (programming from the parents or society) and to override that programming (say for example NLP ) is hard but it is possible and then hopefully the sense of life as struggle will one day diminish and then we really can #bekind to ourselves.
It's all work though on an energetic level and that's where things really are really happening imo.
 
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My cousin’s wife gave up her high paying career because tax wise it wasn’t making sense for both of them to work. She’s a full time mum in my eyes. Sorry to everyone who will take offense but it’s not the same having a mother who is available at all times for their children & have their children as their sole priority versus having a mum who holds a full time job. I had the latter, she was overworked and burnt out from having a career. It’s a wealthy family’s game being able to afford having a full time mom. Totally unfair but that’s life.
 
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I know what you mean but what about full time parents who are also full time carer's? (The position I find myself in)?
It's sometimes hard, frustrating and pretty relentless and I don't get to have time off or respite (zero family support either).
So without meaning to be controversial there is a huge difference say between mothers who are affluent and have a good standard of life and can pick and choose how to live their lives, and some others (like myself) who never really envisioned being a full time mum or carer and yet who find that (because of disabilities and health problems) have very little choice in the matter.
I feel like people like me are the forgotten (often Invisible) minority that aren't usually seen on social media (I try to keep my family life relatively private, except maybe on here, but then I can control and limit the information I divulge)?
I don't humble brag, I don't seek validation for this, but at the same time I just want to say that yes it is a full time job (often hard work).
Honestly not having a go at anyone (sometimes maybe I come across as defensive) but the isolation and loneliness of being defined by your health status (problems) and your children's sometimes gets me down and it's not always understood or even tolerated (yeah autism is often discriminated against) by other people. 🤷‍♀️

Sometimes life just has different plans and challenges and you know what, adversity can happen to anyone, and yes it's not what I dreamed about when younger, but at the same time it's taught me a lot about resilience and patience and never ever taking anything for granted and truly being grateful for what I have (Even though I admit it doesn't always come across that way).
When I see (for example) my autistic son, smile and laugh and make a joke and start to open up and express himself it melts my heart 💓.
It's something maybe others parents are used to, but for him to get to this level we had to climb mountains of obstacles.

So I think what a lot of women do is considered emotional labour (I think there is a whole theory attached to this , maybe I should read up on it?)
That's what a lot of women do, and it's often invisible not even tangible, and so hard to define or explain and yet those of us who put in all this effort, see the effects one way or another right?
In this day and age (as I said with zero family support or input, and I am not alone in this) being a mother is often hard (work) even if you don't have a (paid) job.
I think the point I am trying to make is, we are not just defined by our economic status or input.(despite efforts to make us think that way) ...unpaid labour also exists...and in its own way makes a contribution to the economy because just look at the cost of childcare, or hiring a cleaner, or nanny or chef or therapist etc etc
Yet women do all of these things and much much more, image if we said we were specialist's and we were going to charge (on the market) for all of our services? For example? I'm not advocating this, but just to illustrate a point)
Well frankly very few could afford us! Yet we often get devalued, overlooked and spoken down to, or not given credit or appreciation!
That's the sad reality for many, when in actual fact what we do is often incredibly useful, helpful, loving and beyond price.
Maybe if some of us started to value ourselves more for real and I include myself in this (I'm saying this with love not judgement because low confidence is often something that can creep up on people) then the urge to put the performative yummy mummy title or humble brag would just stop of its own accord, because there would be no need to seek validation from others (which is just a sign of insecurity anyway). 🤷‍♀️

At the same time feeling lonely, craving connection (especially from other adults) or feeling like you want to show that your lifestyle choices are valid can just be a thirst to be acknowledged and sometimes that's understandable, given that try as we might not all of us are living our best lives, and social media has hugely distorted some people's expectations of the life that they think they should be having (aspirational) versus the reality of the life they actually have (exhausting).
Aren't most of us just trying our best though at the end of the day? The urge to compare and contrast might exist but it's probably not that healthy and isn't life or society in general pretty judgemental of women and their choices anyway?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't and then many of us get indoctrinated to be people pleasers (socialisation can be strong) with the end result that you end up running around trying to be everything to everyone and failing in the process.

Mentally that's exhausting and takes its toll, no wonder then that when life feels like hard work, you're going to justify it, (survival) because it's an emotional investment you have made and it can often be draining and all consuming and unseen, that's the hidden (shadow side) of many women's lives I think. The one that rules the subconscious instincts, and that is really calling the shots (programming from the parents or society) and to override that programming (say for example NLP ) is hard but it is possible and then hopefully the sense of life as struggle will one day diminish and then we really can #bekind to ourselves.
It's all work though on an energetic level and that's where things really are really happening imo.
I think the role of a mother has been so devalued in society as a whole that actually so many women say they’re “full time mums” just to validate themselves as doing something.

A lot of people (not you!) take someone saying being a mother isn’t a job as a personal attack. But actually it isn’t a job. It’s as though by saying “being a mother isn’t a job” means it’s not difficult, or time consuming or draining when for the vast majority of people they’ll consider it the hardest thing they’ve ever done
 
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But why does there have to be a theme? It's just so tacky 🤮

My nephew got married and on his stag do everyone dressed as Disney princesses ... it was not his idea I might add.
I agree, there doesn't have to be a theme, but if whoever is planning it decides to have one, I appreciate it when it's not generic or tacky. For example, I have an acquaintance who lives and works in NY and was very homesick for Australia. Obviously it's expensive for her to fly there or have her friends/family fly in just for a hen, so her friends in NY hosted a lovely brunch at a rented home and recreated the menu of one of her favorite cafes back home, down to the table settings, so there was a sort of "theme" going on. I found this very thoughtful and sweet. Nobody had to wear matching tshirts or a drink out of plastic penis straws :ROFLMAO:
 
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I agree, there doesn't have to be a theme, but if whoever is planning it decides to have one, I appreciate it when it's not generic or tacky. For example, I have an acquaintance who lives and works in NY and was very homesick for Australia. Obviously it's expensive for her to fly there or have her friends/family fly in just for a hen, so her friends in NY hosted a lovely brunch at a rented home and recreated the menu of one of her favorite cafes back home, down to the table settings, so there was a sort of "theme" going on. I found this very thoughtful and sweet. Nobody had to wear matching tshirts or a drink out of plastic penis straws :ROFLMAO:
That's a bit different. I approve of that. 🤣
 
Same with Kpop fans. My sister’s absolutely obsessed with all these Korean bands it concerns me sometimes. She posted this on Instagram recently because one of the members is ill. View attachment 1529617 It’s crazy how obsessed people get with these celebrities, saying they saved them because they wrote a song they related too and spend every spare penny on mercy for them. Kpop bands are literally manufactured to sell merch. Every time a new album comes out that is easily streamable people rush to buy them on CD because they come with photo cards and some posters, which usually comes to £20-30. When I was younger I’d just cut out posters from magazines or print out pictures but it all has to be official merch that is ridiculously overpriced and none will care about in a few years.
I’m assuming your sister is a child or young teenager? 😂
 
I’m assuming your sister is a child or young teenager? 😂
you would be surprised!

one of my friends was/is an obsessive one direction fan: her mood was always based on what was happening with them at any time, we’d be on nights out but she would be on one direction twitter talking to other fans, she watched that security camera footage from when they hacked into lax or jfk to watch them in the departure lounge etc etc. we’re 37 years old.

i’m all for fandoms being a great escape and discussion topic at any age, people should do what makes them happy, but there IS a solid line when it becomes too much.
 
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I’m a stay-at-home parent, I’m also my son’s carer. There is a lot of stigma attached to that but it is what it is. It hasn’t always been the way. I worked from as soon as I could right up until having my youngest at 28, went back into my job at the start of the pandemic and worked right through that while my husband stayed home with the kids (lost his job at the time because of Covid). My husband has a much better paid job now than I ever did and we don’t live close to our families so we lack a support system.

No job is flexible enough to allow me to take time off to collect my child from nursery when he’s had a bad day or absolutely refusing to go, especially the one I’ve been long qualified for as the shifts are impossible to fit around children anyway and they’re often under-staffed as it is. I wouldn’t expect them to either. It works for us now and it’s hard, but I don’t look at it as a job in the traditional sense. It’s my contribution to our family; never in my life did I think that I would give up work caring for the elderly to be a carer for my own child but that’s how the penny has landed. My children come first.
 
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you would be surprised!

one of my friends was/is an obsessive one direction fan: her mood was always based on what was happening with them at any time, we’d be on nights out but she would be on one direction twitter talking to other fans, she watched that security camera footage from when they hacked into lax or jfk to watch them in the departure lounge etc etc. we’re 37 years old.

i’m all for fandoms being a great escape and discussion topic at any age, people should do what makes them happy, but there IS a solid line when it becomes too much.
Sorry no harm to your pal but this is terrifying lol. Someone I know’s teenage daughter is a one direction stan and gets balloons made up on each of their birthdays every year to put in her room 🤨

I wonder if there have been any studies on fandom or stan culture? It’s so interesting and bizarre at the same time. I can’t fathom how your life could end up like that. It’s so unhealthy.
 
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I know what you mean but what about full time parents who are also full time carer's? (The position I find myself in)?
It's sometimes hard, frustrating and pretty relentless and I don't get to have time off or respite (zero family support either).
So without meaning to be controversial there is a huge difference say between mothers who are affluent and have a good standard of life and can pick and choose how to live their lives, and some others (like myself) who never really envisioned being a full time mum or carer and yet who find that (because of disabilities and health problems) have very little choice in the matter.
I feel like people like me are the forgotten (often Invisible) minority that aren't usually seen on social media (I try to keep my family life relatively private, except maybe on here, but then I can control and limit the information I divulge)?
I don't humble brag, I don't seek validation for this, but at the same time I just want to say that yes it is a full time job (often hard work).
Honestly not having a go at anyone (sometimes maybe I come across as defensive) but the isolation and loneliness of being defined by your health status (problems) and your children's sometimes gets me down and it's not always understood or even tolerated (yeah autism is often discriminated against) by other people. 🤷‍♀️

Sometimes life just has different plans and challenges and you know what, adversity can happen to anyone, and yes it's not what I dreamed about when younger, but at the same time it's taught me a lot about resilience and patience and never ever taking anything for granted and truly being grateful for what I have (Even though I admit it doesn't always come across that way).
When I see (for example) my autistic son, smile and laugh and make a joke and start to open up and express himself it melts my heart 💓.
It's something maybe others parents are used to, but for him to get to this level we had to climb mountains of obstacles.

So I think what a lot of women do is considered emotional labour (I think there is a whole theory attached to this , maybe I should read up on it?)
That's what a lot of women do, and it's often invisible not even tangible, and so hard to define or explain and yet those of us who put in all this effort, see the effects one way or another right?
In this day and age (as I said with zero family support or input, and I am not alone in this) being a mother is often hard (work) even if you don't have a (paid) job.
I think the point I am trying to make is, we are not just defined by our economic status or input.(despite efforts to make us think that way) ...unpaid labour also exists...and in its own way makes a contribution to the economy because just look at the cost of childcare, or hiring a cleaner, or nanny or chef or therapist etc etc
Yet women do all of these things and much much more, image if we said we were specialist's and we were going to charge (on the market) for all of our services? For example? I'm not advocating this, but just to illustrate a point)
Well frankly very few could afford us! Yet we often get devalued, overlooked and spoken down to, or not given credit or appreciation!
That's the sad reality for many, when in actual fact what we do is often incredibly useful, helpful, loving and beyond price.
Maybe if some of us started to value ourselves more for real and I include myself in this (I'm saying this with love not judgement because low confidence is often something that can creep up on people) then the urge to put the performative yummy mummy title or humble brag would just stop of its own accord, because there would be no need to seek validation from others (which is just a sign of insecurity anyway). 🤷‍♀️

At the same time feeling lonely, craving connection (especially from other adults) or feeling like you want to show that your lifestyle choices are valid can just be a thirst to be acknowledged and sometimes that's understandable, given that try as we might not all of us are living our best lives, and social media has hugely distorted some people's expectations of the life that they think they should be having (aspirational) versus the reality of the life they actually have (exhausting).
Aren't most of us just trying our best though at the end of the day? The urge to compare and contrast might exist but it's probably not that healthy and isn't life or society in general pretty judgemental of women and their choices anyway?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't and then many of us get indoctrinated to be people pleasers (socialisation can be strong) with the end result that you end up running around trying to be everything to everyone and failing in the process.

Mentally that's exhausting and takes its toll, no wonder then that when life feels like hard work, you're going to justify it, (survival) because it's an emotional investment you have made and it can often be draining and all consuming and unseen, that's the hidden (shadow side) of many women's lives I think. The one that rules the subconscious instincts, and that is really calling the shots (programming from the parents or society) and to override that programming (say for example NLP ) is hard but it is possible and then hopefully the sense of life as struggle will one day diminish and then we really can #bekind to ourselves.
It's all work though on an energetic level and that's where things really are really happening imo.
I can categorically say I’m not implying towards anyone who’s found themselves caring for children who have any disabilities etc.
I think the role of a mother has been so devalued in society as a whole that actually so many women say they’re “full time mums” just to validate themselves as doing something.

A lot of people (not you!) take someone saying being a mother isn’t a job as a personal attack. But actually it isn’t a job. It’s as though by saying “being a mother isn’t a job” means it’s not difficult, or time consuming or draining when for the vast majority of people they’ll consider it the hardest thing they’ve ever done
It’s not at all that I think being a mother isn’t a job it’s just that people that work still are full time parents as much as someone who doesn’t. Like another poster said, when people say things like ‘oh I could never leave them etc’ I’m sure a lot of people would love to not work and be with their children.
 
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Sorry no harm to your pal but this is terrifying lol. Someone I know’s teenage daughter is a one direction stan and gets balloons made up on each of their birthdays every year to put in her room 🤨

I wonder if there have been any studies on fandom or stan culture? It’s so interesting and bizarre at the same time. I can’t fathom how your life could end up like that. It’s so unhealthy.
i did a whole paper in uni about stan culture - but specifically on people who imagine romantic relationships and such with famous people 🤣 i find it fascinating.

but honestly, it is. we’ve tried to talk to her about it but she won’t listen. i get and enjoy fandoms myself but there’s a point where it’s the person actively trying to avoid their own life, which makes it unhealthy.

in terms of stan culture, the internet (and twitter especially) has just given people way too much access to celebrities and too much ability to interact with other stans who influence their behaviour imo.
 
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I know what you mean but what about full time parents who are also full time carer's? (The position I find myself in)?
It's sometimes hard, frustrating and pretty relentless and I don't get to have time off or respite (zero family support either).
So without meaning to be controversial there is a huge difference say between mothers who are affluent and have a good standard of life and can pick and choose how to live their lives, and some others (like myself) who never really envisioned being a full time mum or carer and yet who find that (because of disabilities and health problems) have very little choice in the matter.
I feel like people like me are the forgotten (often Invisible) minority that aren't usually seen on social media (I try to keep my family life relatively private, except maybe on here, but then I can control and limit the information I divulge)?
I don't humble brag, I don't seek validation for this, but at the same time I just want to say that yes it is a full time job (often hard work).
Honestly not having a go at anyone (sometimes maybe I come across as defensive) but the isolation and loneliness of being defined by your health status (problems) and your children's sometimes gets me down and it's not always understood or even tolerated (yeah autism is often discriminated against) by other people. 🤷‍♀️

Sometimes life just has different plans and challenges and you know what, adversity can happen to anyone, and yes it's not what I dreamed about when younger, but at the same time it's taught me a lot about resilience and patience and never ever taking anything for granted and truly being grateful for what I have (Even though I admit it doesn't always come across that way).
When I see (for example) my autistic son, smile and laugh and make a joke and start to open up and express himself it melts my heart 💓.
It's something maybe others parents are used to, but for him to get to this level we had to climb mountains of obstacles.

So I think what a lot of women do is considered emotional labour (I think there is a whole theory attached to this , maybe I should read up on it?)
That's what a lot of women do, and it's often invisible not even tangible, and so hard to define or explain and yet those of us who put in all this effort, see the effects one way or another right?
In this day and age (as I said with zero family support or input, and I am not alone in this) being a mother is often hard (work) even if you don't have a (paid) job.
I think the point I am trying to make is, we are not just defined by our economic status or input.(despite efforts to make us think that way) ...unpaid labour also exists...and in its own way makes a contribution to the economy because just look at the cost of childcare, or hiring a cleaner, or nanny or chef or therapist etc etc
Yet women do all of these things and much much more, image if we said we were specialist's and we were going to charge (on the market) for all of our services? For example? I'm not advocating this, but just to illustrate a point)
Well frankly very few could afford us! Yet we often get devalued, overlooked and spoken down to, or not given credit or appreciation!
That's the sad reality for many, when in actual fact what we do is often incredibly useful, helpful, loving and beyond price.
Maybe if some of us started to value ourselves more for real and I include myself in this (I'm saying this with love not judgement because low confidence is often something that can creep up on people) then the urge to put the performative yummy mummy title or humble brag would just stop of its own accord, because there would be no need to seek validation from others (which is just a sign of insecurity anyway). 🤷‍♀️

At the same time feeling lonely, craving connection (especially from other adults) or feeling like you want to show that your lifestyle choices are valid can just be a thirst to be acknowledged and sometimes that's understandable, given that try as we might not all of us are living our best lives, and social media has hugely distorted some people's expectations of the life that they think they should be having (aspirational) versus the reality of the life they actually have (exhausting).
Aren't most of us just trying our best though at the end of the day? The urge to compare and contrast might exist but it's probably not that healthy and isn't life or society in general pretty judgemental of women and their choices anyway?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't and then many of us get indoctrinated to be people pleasers (socialisation can be strong) with the end result that you end up running around trying to be everything to everyone and failing in the process.

Mentally that's exhausting and takes its toll, no wonder then that when life feels like hard work, you're going to justify it, (survival) because it's an emotional investment you have made and it can often be draining and all consuming and unseen, that's the hidden (shadow side) of many women's lives I think. The one that rules the subconscious instincts, and that is really calling the shots (programming from the parents or society) and to override that programming (say for example NLP ) is hard but it is possible and then hopefully the sense of life as struggle will one day diminish and then we really can #bekind to ourselves.
It's all work though on an energetic level and that's where things really are really happening imo.
Thank you for taking the time to write this, I feel seen xxx
 
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i did a whole paper in uni about stan culture - but specifically on people who imagine romantic relationships and such with famous people 🤣 i find it fascinating.

but honestly, it is. we’ve tried to talk to her about it but she won’t listen. i get and enjoy fandoms myself but there’s a point where it’s the person actively trying to avoid their own life, which makes it unhealthy.

in terms of stan culture, the internet (and twitter especially) has just given people way too much access to celebrities and too much ability to interact with other stans who influence their behaviour imo.
You’ve probably hit the nail on the head with this.

If I ever had kids I honestly think I’d rather they spent their time up the local park drinking frosty jacks than ever be part of a fandom 😂
 
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(Just seen an article on this online)

Guys like these 4 idiots in this photo are deeply unattractive, they look ridiculous and are about as masculine as a tampon. They give men a bad name. Why anyone finds this look attractive is beyond me. They look like little pricks.
 
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(Just seen an article on this online)

Guys like these 4 idiots in this photo are deeply unattractive, they look ridiculous and are about as masculine as a tampon. They give men a bad name. Why anyone finds this look attractive is beyond me. They look like little pricks.
It’s their trousers, they’re too tight it’s suppressing all the testosterone.

The guy second from left is wearing pedal pushers.
 
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(Just seen an article on this online)

Guys like these 4 idiots in this photo are deeply unattractive, they look ridiculous and are about as masculine as a tampon. They give men a bad name. Why anyone finds this look attractive is beyond me. They look like little pricks.
have you only just seen this?? This was a great meme

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This was one of my faves 😂
 
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(Just seen an article on this online)

Guys like these 4 idiots in this photo are deeply unattractive, they look ridiculous and are about as masculine as a tampon. They give men a bad name. Why anyone finds this look attractive is beyond me. They look like little pricks.
One of my ex boyfriends dresses like that.... hence why he's an ex :ROFLMAO:
 
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It’s their trousers, they’re too tight it’s suppressing all the testosterone.

The guy second from left is wearing peddle pushers.
Second from the left 100% has little man syndrome and a cocaine habit. The guy on the far right definitely isn’t wearing those glasses because he needs to.
 
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