What do we all think of supply problems with the convoy? Do you think there is potential for partial defection? Those soldiers facing unarmed citizens hardly looked enthusiastic killers.
Am I being niave/hopeful?
Am I being niave/hopeful?
They seemed to be hinting that tonight they'd be targeting Kyiv via bombing then rolling the convoy in. But it all does seem quite stalled at the moment, hopefully enough time for the Ukrainians to ambush it to slow it down furtherWhat do we all think of supply problems with the convoy? Do you think there is potential for partial defection? Those soldiers facing unarmed citizens hardly looked enthusiastic killers.
Am I being niave/hopeful?
If NATO get involved we are all toast and it’s WW3. I think NATO getting involved should be the last option because it’s the option that will have the most consequences.I still think the NATO should get involved
Bombing once they have control of the airspace?They seemed to be hinting that tonight they'd be targeting Kiev via bombing then rolling the convoy in. But it all does seem quite stalled at the moment, hopefully enough time for the Ukrainians to ambush it to slow it down further
I thought the same about drone attacks say it's a Ukrainian operator ?Just wondering aloud - IF the jets that have been sent to Poland were piloted by ‘non Ukrainians’ and were used to stop the convoy heading for the northern border - who would know it was not Ukrainian pilots ? The military strategist said this morning that the roads are not very good, especially for tanks, so surely if they could just bomb the roads badly it could delay the arrival at the very least - even though they are assuming the convoy would not initially enter Ukraine but deploy in a semi circle type action along the border - has anything been said anywhere that Ukraine are not allowed to fight back into Russia from within their own borders?
I’ve been reading the news from a lot of sources - from other countries as well as ours. It’s clear to me that very strategic planning is going on behind the scenes. Russia has never been trusted and the West has plenty of intelligence that the rest of us aren’t privy to. They will be very careful to avoid a miscalculation.If NATO get involved we are all toast and it’s WW3. I think NATO getting involved should be the last option because it’s the option that will have the most consequences.
I only heard a snippet of it but it was something like targeting key areas of Kyiv in the next few days. I think it was from an American source.Bombing once they have control of the airspace?
if they got involved it would break their own rules also there a defensive group and as they have not been attacked they cant just go attacking russiaI think so, too.
I still think the NATO should get involved, despite the very real threat and danger.
But Putin has started an illegal war and is committing war crimes.
I noticed the "rave" thread and find it kind of distasteful to talk about who hot the Ukrainian president is. He is fighting for his life & country!
He is a father of two and will quite likely be killed by Putin.
I guess he would say: I need allies, not groupies.
Yes, but what are the other options?If NATO get involved we are all toast and it’s WW3. I think NATO getting involved should be the last option because it’s the option that will have the most consequences.
Why did that put this stuff on kids back then? I’m quite thankful I wasn’t subjected to this aged 6 and it sounds like I’m of a similar age to you.We watched When The Wind Blows in my school the week of my 6th birthday, in 1986. I remember it so clearly. I was in primary school in Belfast (where we sometimes had a bomb threat or a shooting nearby)
I am surprised how varied things seem to have been.
Gonna be blunt now if there involved we are assigning a death wish to the whole world possiably it is not as simple as just going to help we cant make that mistakeYes, but what are the other options?
And Putin is not the only dictator... others will take note.
I don't think anyone thinks that. But we cant be seen to be antagonising or making war ourselves. Its not our war, and not one of our official allies.It's incredibly nieve to believe that if we just stand back and let Putin take Ukraine then that will be that.
Yes, it would break their own rules.if they got involved it would break their own rules also there a defensive group and as they have not been attacked they cant just go attacking russia
if i knew it was a bluff and we were dealing with a semi stable old man i would say yeah ok but were not i feel we have to be careful and as tit as it is however do your own bit give donations if you can im going to donate tommorrow its not much but its a start
My husband has been saying this is the way it's going for years. He thinks next will be china taking Taiwan. It's scary to think of Russia and China with even more power working together.They would need to join NATO immediately to get the military support.
The EU membership is not necessary for that.
The US is not interested in Ukraine joining NATO - as they don't want any further defence obligations and they know very well that the countries close to Russia are always at risk of being in conflict with Russia.
In 2008 Germany and France were hesitant, partly for this reason, and I guess they still feel the same way today.
But what are the consequences? Every country outside of NATO is more or less on their own, unless they have other allies.
What if Russia is successful and adds a few other Eastern European countries to their list of targets.
Would China want to be buddies again?
Would a new Russian empire plus China be a real threat to the Western countries?
Exactly. Behind the scenes they will have been planning for war/conflict with Russia for yearsI’ve been reading the news from a lot of sources - from other countries as well as ours. It’s clear to me that very strategic planning is going on behind the scenes. Russia has never been trusted and the West has plenty of intelligence that the rest of us aren’t privy to. They will be very careful to avoid a miscalculation.
He's not quite on the history scales of absolute lunatic yet so it would take something bigger for NATO to intervene.Yes, it would break their own rules.
But to a great extend one of reasons the Ukraine is not in the NATO is that the US, France, Germany and probably most other NATO countries are concerned about having to defend them against Russia.
To me this seems to be a bit hypocritical.
I kind of think that Putin is such a lunatic that it justifies the NATO interfering. I don't see another way to stop him.