Yeah for sure, but that’s not protecting anyone else but yourself? I get that people want it to prevent themselves having covid, but having it isn’t going to stop you passing it to vulnerable people. That’s why I don’t get this whole “moral duty” stance that others have said in this thread. If anything it just makes you more likely to be asymptotic and not know you have it - so probably increases you passing it on if anything
This is how I feel. 6 months ago I was of the opinion that I wouldn’t be getting the vaccine in the first round.... now, having seen how awful this is through working on the frontline, I feel totally different and am desperate for it. Also I want it so that the world can start turning normally again and the economy isn’t any more screwed for others. On balance, I feel like I have to take my chances with it for the good of others. I think that surely the only way you’d pass Covid onto people after being vaxed, would be if you hadn’t washed your hands and spread droplets?
There are actually concerns from doctors that getting covid itself may affect fertility, particularly for men, but also for women, as it seems to be able to affect a lot of different body systems, lungs, kidneys, clotting, heart etc. So the virus itself may very well affect the reproductive system but we just don't know that yet. I think the chances of the vaccine affecting fertility are extremely low. The fact that pregnant women are excluded from the trials and recommended not to have it is totally normal, that's the same with every new treatment, due to what happened with thalidomide in the 1950s, which caused severe birth defects.
What else do you want people to do? I for one and everyone I know is still wearing a mask, hand washing, social distancing? The rules are to still wear a mask after you’ve had your vaccinations.Yeah for sure, but that’s not protecting anyone else but yourself? I get that people want it to prevent themselves having covid, but having it isn’t going to stop you passing it to vulnerable people. That’s why I don’t get this whole “moral duty” stance that others have said in this thread. If anything it just makes you more likely to be asymptotic and not know you have it - so probably increases you passing it on if anything
Nothing I’m just saying it’s a personal choice? No one should feel pressured to have a jab to “protect others” when it doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on anyway.
but part of the reason to get it is so you don't get sick and overwhelm the NHS surely?Also sorry to harp on with my concerns but I feel like nobody talks about what happened with the swine flu vaccine? That’s what worries me too, I feel like if something similar was to happen with this one it would just get brushed aside
Nothing I’m just saying it’s a personal choice? No one should feel pressured to have a jab to “protect others” when it doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on anyway.
You have a good attitude. It's a shame not everyone thinks this way. Actually the scary thing is that the majority of people don't have this mindset, even after experiencing the worst pandemic in 100 years
What happened with the swine flu vaccine? It was given to 6 million people in the UK, and the vast vast majority of those people were and still are completely fine. 1 in 55,000 people who got the vaccine developed narcolepsy, that is still an extremely rare side effect. It is thought that only 120 people in the whole of the UK were affected. Don't get me wrong, narcolepsy is a horrible condition, but the chances of a similar side effect happening to you are very small. Those affected were given compensation and this was in the newspapers when it was discovered, it wasn't brushed aside. Personally I'd rather take the risk of a rare side effect than the risk of covid damaging my lungs or heart which is definitely a thing that has been noticed with covid even in healthy people.Also sorry to harp on with my concerns but I feel like nobody talks about what happened with the swine flu vaccine? That’s what worries me too, I feel like if something similar was to happen with this one it would just get brushed aside
Nothing I’m just saying it’s a personal choice? No one should feel pressured to have a jab to “protect others” when it doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on anyway.
Dread to think how WW1 and WW2 would’ve gone
What reassures me about this particular vaccine is that scientists had SO much more money and resources pumped into it (because of the urgency of it, political gains for “getting there first”, etc) so they’ve been able to conduct very robust and extensive studies. This is also the reason why it has seemingly been produced so fast (which I know scares people too) as normally there is an absolute tonne of time wasted and lost in this field while the scientists have to keep applying for grants, waiting for answers, having lack of volunteers, etc. I think we have to consider that the scientists that have formulated these vaccines and produced them wouldn’t be putting their entire careers and reputations on the line with a dodgy vaccine. It’s also very important for pharmaceutical companies to get this one right- all eyes will be on them and if they f*ck this up it will be catastrophic for them, not to mention catastrophic for public trust in vaccines and pharmaceuticals which could lead to a far greater health crisis than the current pandemic.I have a personal anecdote about this but I won’t go into detail as it’s not my business to share someone else’s experience. I just know that in this particular case it was dismissed as just a coincidence, they were going through a stressful time in their life and as far as I know it was never recognised as a result of the vaccine (maybe it wasn’t, I don’t know I’m not a doctor). I know the risks are higher with covid generally but vaccines still freak me out to this day just because of what happened back then with the person I knew. I’ll still get it, I’m just venting some worries
I know you know this pixi because I harp on about it on the covid thread every time someone posts that it doesn’t stop transmissionYeah for sure, but that’s not protecting anyone else but yourself? I get that people want it to prevent themselves having covid, but having it isn’t going to stop you passing it to vulnerable people. That’s why I don’t get this whole “moral duty” stance that others have said in this thread. If anything it just makes you more likely to be asymptotic and not know you have it - so probably increases you passing it on if anything
Oh I know, but they were reporting about who is rejecting the vaccine and why, and I do know that a lot of women share this concern.. so I don't think it is false.
But it’s false if it hasn’t come from anywhere.
I think it's totally fair to scrutinise things, but I don't think anecdotes are that helpful. If the doctors looking after the person you knew didn't think that their symptoms were attributed to the vaccine then I think it is unlikely. We can all confuse coincidence with something causing another thing. I have heard so many people say they won't take the flu vaccine because it "gave them the flu", which is impossible. It's just that they were unlucky to get the flu (or usually a cold, because people don't know the difference) at the same time as the got the vaccine. Or the vaccine might have made them feel a bit rubbish for a day or so, which is just a sign of the immune system working, but again that is not the same as the flu.
but I also think the daily mail does attract a *certain* type of audience... no offence to anyone who does, my mum reads it
but I would say on the whole its readers (based on its scaremongering headlines) would be more likely to be skeptical imoI know it doesn't prove anything. I haven't said anywhere that it is correct. I think it is very harsh of people judging people for not wanting to put chemicals in their body because of concerns. Yes, I do worry more than the average person.. I always have. When I've had time to do a bit more research I probably will end up having the jab, as it is probably just hearsay like you say!
"put chemicals in their body" .... salt is a chemical, do you ever eat that?
