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super grateful

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The peripheral nerve test gave no response at all, so the brain stem test was abandoned as this can give a false negative result.
But this is quite confusing. That’s a “pass” on BST. If there were a response then you’d question if his brain stem were intact and therefore “alive”, but no response signifies that it likely isn’t therefore that’s the go ahead to continue with the rest of the test.
 
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Lucymyers

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I'm sure initially she was acting from the place of a devastated mother, yet as time goes by I do suspect money is a factor now.
If his ADHD was as severe as it seems (out of school for years, then a special school placement) chances are that she gets HRC DLA (or medium rate at least), which leads to Carers Allowance and extra tax credits if she's still on legacy benefits. Losing Archie would lead to losing a lot of - what I assume would be household - financial support. I'm sure the money the family have so far grifted softens that blow a bit.

I hate that I can even imagine such a scenario, but her behaviour is seriously dodgy.
Those benefits would of stopped when he went in hosp?
 
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pepe le pew

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I hope that the situation with Archie, wakes up content providers, like TikTok, Instagram and other dubious places that encourage kids to do stupid things. Many kids have died in USA with this horrific black out challenge.
 
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Purrrrrrr

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Ah that must be why the group won’t let me in as I am also a follower of the Dignity for All page. Silly really as surely I could be going in there to defend Archie against the nasty trolls and report back to the army?
Admin will only see what public groups you are in. They might be scrolling your FB and not liking what they see? Also if they have a number of admins some will let you in, others will reject you. so sometimes its worth trying again or a few times.
 
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Felix08

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Is it me or are his eyebrows really black and bushy? I know his hair keeps growing but it looks like he has such blonde hair but really black eyebrows..
 
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Cack Conroe

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Isnt death usually decided by the medical staff caring for a patient? Its a doctor that usually signs a death certificate, then the courts will ratify that decision.
Yes, but in this case no doctors have declared Archie dead. His brain is dead as shown in MRI scans and EEGs, but in the only way of legally declaring someone brainstem dead is to follow certain tests, which could not be performed on Archie. Normally the family would agree to remove life support, the patient would then die and would be declared dead afterwards in the usual way.

It is a technical point yes......technically Archies body is still alive. But it sounds from all the ITU staff on here, as if once the brain dies, then normal bodily functions also die..so he cant function at all by himself. He is breathing artificially but he also is unable to absorb any kinds of food or drink into his cells independently, so everything within him is deterioriating. I spose technically he is some kind of living corpse? And they couldnt do the usual test for brain stem death, due to the damage at his neck, so what are they meant to do

Medical staff arent superhuman, they are trying their best to help. Its ok to ask for a second opinion, especially with a case like this, but....if the second opinon confirms the diagnosis of the first...
That’s the thing, there is only one legal way to declare a person brainstem dead and that is by testing brainstem reflexes, which couldn’t be done.

There is no legal precedent for declaring someone brainstem dead by MRI scan evidence.

The hospital were not going to try to get him declared dead, and instead wanted to be allowed to withdraw treatment on the basis that it’s in his best interests, then declare him dead afterwards in the usual way. But Archie’s legal guardian (a social worker, not a medical or legal professional) encouraged them to try to get him declared dead. So they did, and the judge agreed, but they shouldn’t have done it. It gave the parent’s their entire legal means to appeal. If the hospital had gone down the best interests route in the first place, the appeal may not have happened and Archie would have been let go already.


I am sorry for the loss of your dad, it must have been devastating.
Thank you 💐
 
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Cack Conroe

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Is she definitely saying that? I know there was a BBC report where the reporter said that, but I'm not clear whether Hollie herself has said it.
I don’t actually know, I am out the loop a bit because I haven’t caught up with Wednesday’s proceedings.
 
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grampositive

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I think Hollie’s claim abut the gynaecologist is to suggest that Archie has been treated by the incorrect type of doctor with no expertise in this sort of situation.

She’s a 46 year old mum of 3, she definitely knew what a gynaecologist is.



Teeth do show in MRIs.

I think it’s just desperate denial, the scans unequivocally show that his brain is in a terrible state and she can’t accept that, so her only other option is to deny they’re his.

Do they really??

I know you can use specialised techniques to visualise the teeth in MRI data, but I didn't think they would show up in a standard set when you're examining brain structure in this case.
 
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bargainbetty

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I just watched a bit of the hearing and now I’m even more lost. So the family want to let nature take its course, god to do his thing, and for Archie to die by cardiac death and not neurological death. So 1. Take down all the medications and machines, they aren’t nature/God? And 2. Removing all the medications and machines will stop his heart = cardiac death. What do these people want??

Where did you manage to watch the hearing please?
 
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monga

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I never screenshot but she commented to someone that the courts had stopped them using the go fund me money (I dont know what truth is in that but the comment was from her Hollie Dance profile), she said she'd paid 10k in legal fees and that if any money remained it would be used to give him the best send off and help them heal.
I've seen her comment the same thing in different wording a few times now. This is on the archies army's page.


I've just quickly gone to look to see if I could find the comments and came across this, slightly different wording and she doesn't mention the helping them heal but I have definitely seen her say exactly that in a comment reply.
Long screenshots but I wanted to make sure it had her name at the top and she mentions the money near the end....
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Wonder why she's saying the courts have stopped her accessing the GFM ? you can transer the funds anytime you like without public knowledge ,even pause and restart or extend the target ...Help them heal :rolleyes:
 
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Purrrrrrr

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It's in cases like this that the NHS should be able to pass the bills over.... you want to spend £1000s per day keeping a corpse alive, you pay the bill.

If they were paying for Archie's care none of this would have happened, let's be honest.
That is a very slippery slope. The medical professions isn't without its mistakes in fact in the US the 3rd leading cause of death is medical error and I expect the UK is roughly the same. Is it right only the rich are able to fight ( rightly or wrongly) for loved ones.

This is a rare thing hence it being in the news if people are to trust not only the medical profession but our justice system then things like this should not be shut down they must run their course.
 
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