The Archie Battersbee case

[Apple In My Pie]

Maybe I’m being really naive, but how does a 10 yr old know about suicide and TikTok? My eldest is 7, she doesn’t have her own device, but she have one family iPad that’s really locked down and all the parental controls are on. As far as I know she doesn’t know how to turn them off.

I know children struggle with mental health and they go through things we don’t always realise, but I’d be devastated if she even knew what suicide was.

That’s what happens when you have unrestricted access to the internet from a young age. I was eleven coming across beheadings and pornography online because my mum didn’t monitor my internet access
I think his username - painhub - was also part of a ‘trend’ so to speak. I’ve seen accounts with similar usernames as ‘vent’ accounts to post triggering/sad content.

 

[FoxyBingo]

I have been following this case & haven’t yet commented, yesterday I read the notes from the last court hearing & the mothers accusations were well addressed by the clinicians & judge. In one section she states Archie has told her previously if he was on life support he’d want to remain on it so he didn’t leave her, in what world does a 12 year old boy come out with a comment that they’d like to stay on life support. She really is clutching at straws, sadly this is no longer about Archie & only about her protecting herself from grieving his loss. I hope she does realise she lost him weeks ago & now she needs to allow him to rest.

How heartbreaking to have a conversation with a 12 year old about life support?

 

[candyland_]

No-one would ever be satisfied with however long you can give them.

No but there comes a point where you accept it and let go.

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

From what I'm gathering, they're arguing about legal technicalities rather than any new information or information that was missed in the 1st judgement?..... which would indicate to me that they're floundering..........

 

[iieee]

So she is trying to imply the scans used in court aren't of Archie wtf?

 

[nini01]

Is Mommy Dearest at court when there's really no need to be?

Unfortunately child proceeding she would have to be there

 

[Cack Conroe]

Okay so if he’s not dead remove the ventilator, remove the machines and the medication and let him show us he isn’t dead. Doctors and nurses are people who have patients interests as their best intentions, keeping a boys heart beating for the sake of his mother is not his best intention.

I am fully aware that Archie will die without a ventilator, that his body will continue to deteriorate, and I personally agree that all treatment should be removed.

However, you could use that definition of “dead” to apply to anyone who will die without medication or treatment.

Archie is only a corpse in a figurative sense.

Brain stem death is legal death because it’s necessary both for organ donations, and for futile situations like these. It’s not physical death except of the brain or brain stem itself.

I just don’t think it’s helpful to be calling him a corpse. It seems vitriolic and is confusing to those who haven’t looked into the situation, and it won’t at all help Hollie and the “don’t slaughter Archie” side to understand.

 

[iieee]

Wonder if she would be doing this if she lived in the States and had to pay. Good thing it’s ‘free’

Well there have been similar cases in the USA eg Jahi McMath, Terri Schiavo. I'm not sure how it works. One of Archie's mum's GFMs is to fund medical bills apparently as well.

 

[Lucymyers]

Here this is the latest one

 

[nini01]

I’ve just read something that said they used an MRI scan of another boy of a similar age to compare to Archie’s scans, to show “normal” compared to how much damage had been done to his. Not sure how true this is though. If it is true, it wouldn’t surprise me that she is just refusing to understand

yes they did use a mri of another child of similar age to him as a reference point to show what should be happening to him and that with his scans it is not x

 

[Weeder]

There is absolutely no way me or my paediatric trained colleagues would touch moving that boy with a barge pole!


Trouble is - as someone who's a part of conversations like this semi-regularly - people hear what they want to hear. You have to walk the line between direct and firm (which upsets a lot of people because they don't want/can't cope with the reality of the situation) and 'fluffy' and empathetic (which then ends up with things getting misinterpreted). It's insanely hard and the important thing is you could say it every way you want, the best way ever but some people still won't hear it. No matter how you say it, no matter which way you spin it, some families and relatives absolutely won't listen.

I hear ya. I've been in there myself, I'm just ever hopeful that something can change to stop these situations.

 

[MrsJones83]

It took me some time but I have finally read all of the court paperwork, to me it read like he had said that life support couldn’t continue

this is what the family are appealing I believe, and while it’s being appealed, it kinda leaves it limbo

 

[Milliemoo99]

I feel compassion for Archie and his family, it’s a horrific situation. But he died over 2 months ago and we now have this circus. Each case like this sets a worrying precedent for the public that you can demand life sustaining treatment and waste masses of money and time to try and get it. The inference that the staff want to kill Archie for his organs shows such a staggering level of misunderstanding, ignorance and suspicion and this spreads like a disease when publicised in the media/

Technically though if his body is on life support, it is in a limbo state between life and death!

But I do agree that if his brain stem has gone, he has no chance at all of life, and all the life support machinery should be turned off, and let the poor child die in peace!

I do wish his mother and the rest of the family would agree to this, as it must be so expensive to keep him alive in an ICU bed. Maybe the hospital needs to issue a clear statement saying that they have no intention of using Archie or any child as an organ donor, against the wishes of the rest of the family. (I dont have an issue with organ donation, if it is agreed by the family, but.....if it is complex!)

I do wish in these cases there was more emphasis on .......if we want to see a true miracle....and see how well Archie and others could cope naturally, we should of course remove all the artificial life support. Give palliative care as appropriate, but let the body cope by itself, not full of man made drugs or interventions.

So sad

 

[acsunderland]

God, that group is an absolute cesspit. Are they wilfully ignorant or are they just downright stupid, commenting shit like ‘come on Archie, will today be the day you wake up?’ the poor kid’s brainstem is literally decaying! He’s not going to wake up!

Absolutely baffled as to how they have won their case now what is going to change with this latest ruling

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

Perhaps they want him moved for his final moments, like in the Charlie Gard case? Although he's probably far too unstable to even contemplate a hospice.

 

[Merpedy]

I can't find anything listed on the court lists for today? It must be behind closed doors.........

If it’s in the family court none of the parties’ names are published, just the times and the judge hearing it

 

[bubbadabut]

I wonder if the Army will try and scrounge more donations following the story of the young boy with neuroblastoma making the news. Over £200k was raised for him to have treatment in the US.

His and Archie's conditions are of course completely non-comparable, but I'm sure they won't let that stop them.

 

[WeTalkAboutBruno]

Her previous name is Lisa Pittaway, and this is her.

Southend: Road rage woman spared prison

A woman driver who attacked two late-night girl clubbers has been spared a prison sentence.

www.gazette-news.co.uk

This is also her...

TOPLESS LISA RED-CARDED

A STREAKING Southend Utd fan has been banned from her favourite club.

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Merpedy]

Grabbed this from DFA comments. What’s the difference between life-sustaining treatment and intensive care?

 

[MidnightAura]

They are selling bracelets?? Seriously!? Were T-shirts and two go fund me accounts not enough? I’m sorry but that’s beyond the pale. They are profiting off that poor child.

I read they won the court case yesterday and it has to go back to the high court, surely it's just going to be the same answer?