Yay! Hahah just saw this
I think I'd need to re-listen to her entire discography before I could make a tentative greatest hits tracklist
Yay! Hahah just saw this
Very true. She isn't the strongest of vocalists (she has a really lovely voice imo, but as we all know, it's not the reason she's as successful as she is, it's 5000% her songwriting and lyricism) and maybe feels she'll be outshone by more natural singers. She wouldn't though. Part of her appeal is her vocals. I can totally respect the talent of big singing voices, but many of them (ariana, Mariah, beyonce, leona, celine, Katy etc) leave me cold.I love Taylor Swift and am an absolute swifty and really love the political stance she’s taken in the last few years but I can’t help but think of the internalised misogyny she has within her also. I think someone mentioned in the previous thread about her female collaborations, how no female collab sings any verse/collab with her, they’re just background vocals as opposed to Ed Sheehan or Bon Iver who take equal partnerships in songs. Also I’m watching her live at the American Music Awards and she has two ballet dancers perform while she sings the song Lover, and they are completely under the spotlight, as in you can barely see them perform under the lighting. It’s like she chose to have the lighting on her playing piano rather than on the dancers portraying the emotion of the song . It reminds me of the backstage video of Shake It Off where she was trying on Pointe Shoes and all the ballerinas were encouraging her, I did ballet for 15 years and getting on pointe shoes takes serious work and dedication and she was there posing with them and they were all cheering her on, yet she was acting like she was such a bad dancer in the music video, I didn’t understand why she pretended to be so happy being a bad dancer when she was so eager to show how she can do the splits and try on professional pointe shoes I love Taylor but as much as she is trying to live this “men oppress women persona”, I think she has to recognise her own internalised misogyny . I mean hello, her whole Bad Blood video was a take down of Katy Perry (which she never took responsibility for, rather glorified the power she had in humiliating her i.e nominated for vmas etc...) I do love Taylor, but I wish she would take responsibility for her own doings rather then pin them on something else. The whole “media pitted me and Katy against eachother” narrative doesn’t sit will with me. She created that narrative, take control of that. I do love her but I don’t like the victim mentality she still holds.
Yeah the whole Bad Blood song doesn’t sit quite right with me - I remember Miley Cyrus complaining about how Taylor could make a music video which basically had guns in it and receive no criticism and Miley wearing minimal clothing received more criticism and was viewed as “more harmful”. I can’t remember who it was - but I think at least one person declined to be in the music video as they did not agree with it. The behind the scene clips annoyed me as they were trying to make out it was all about “female empowerment” - and it just came across that they felt empowered by taking down another woman whom you have no actual issue with? I kind of have the same issue with Better Than Revenge in that she is basically attacking someone that her ex boyfriend then started dating?I love Taylor Swift and am an absolute swifty and really love the political stance she’s taken in the last few years but I can’t help but think of the internalised misogyny she has within her also. I think someone mentioned in the previous thread about her female collaborations, how no female collab sings any verse/collab with her, they’re just background vocals as opposed to Ed Sheehan or Bon Iver who take equal partnerships in songs. Also I’m watching her live at the American Music Awards and she has two ballet dancers perform while she sings the song Lover, and they are completely under the spotlight, as in you can barely see them perform under the lighting. It’s like she chose to have the lighting on her playing piano rather than on the dancers portraying the emotion of the song . It reminds me of the backstage video of Shake It Off where she was trying on Pointe Shoes and all the ballerinas were encouraging her, I did ballet for 15 years and getting on pointe shoes takes serious work and dedication and she was there posing with them and they were all cheering her on, yet she was acting like she was such a bad dancer in the music video, I didn’t understand why she pretended to be so happy being a bad dancer when she was so eager to show how she can do the splits and try on professional pointe shoes I love Taylor but as much as she is trying to live this “men oppress women persona”, I think she has to recognise her own internalised misogyny . I mean hello, her whole Bad Blood video was a take down of Katy Perry (which she never took responsibility for, rather glorified the power she had in humiliating her i.e nominated for vmas etc...) I do love Taylor, but I wish she would take responsibility for her own doings rather then pin them on something else. The whole “media pitted me and Katy against eachother” narrative doesn’t sit will with me. She created that narrative, take control of that. I do love her but I don’t like the victim mentality she still holds.
I don’t necessarily agree with all your points here but I can say as someone who has been a longtime fan and has followed her for a very long time now, she definitely has a lot of faults and there are many things that bother me about her. Some of them are just the kind of faults any person has, others are more glaring and really bothersome. (Also in response to one of your points, I do find it interesting that even fans are noticing that Taylor does not really collab with women and her projects are very driven by male producers. I think this is definitely due to internalized misogyny and this idea she has that being accepted by cool male artists is the greatest validation).I love Taylor Swift and am an absolute swifty and really love the political stance she’s taken in the last few years but I can’t help but think of the internalised misogyny she has within her also. I think someone mentioned in the previous thread about her female collaborations, how no female collab sings any verse/collab with her, they’re just background vocals as opposed to Ed Sheehan or Bon Iver who take equal partnerships in songs. Also I’m watching her live at the American Music Awards and she has two ballet dancers perform while she sings the song Lover, and they are completely under the spotlight, as in you can barely see them perform under the lighting. It’s like she chose to have the lighting on her playing piano rather than on the dancers portraying the emotion of the song . It reminds me of the backstage video of Shake It Off where she was trying on Pointe Shoes and all the ballerinas were encouraging her, I did ballet for 15 years and getting on pointe shoes takes serious work and dedication and she was there posing with them and they were all cheering her on, yet she was acting like she was such a bad dancer in the music video, I didn’t understand why she pretended to be so happy being a bad dancer when she was so eager to show how she can do the splits and try on professional pointe shoes I love Taylor but as much as she is trying to live this “men oppress women persona”, I think she has to recognise her own internalised misogyny . I mean hello, her whole Bad Blood video was a take down of Katy Perry (which she never took responsibility for, rather glorified the power she had in humiliating her i.e nominated for vmas etc...) I do love Taylor, but I wish she would take responsibility for her own doings rather then pin them on something else. The whole “media pitted me and Katy against eachother” narrative doesn’t sit will with me. She created that narrative, take control of that. I do love her but I don’t like the victim mentality she still holds.
I'll be honest and say that I've never heard of The National or Aaron Dessner before the collaborations with Taylor - but Folklore and Evermore have proven, in my opinion, Taylor's ability to show her song-writing versatility. I did like Reputation and Lover - but a lot of the songs on both are skippable. I do prefer Folklore over Evermore - but I do need to listen to Evermore a bit more to get a better feel of the album.Taylor newbie saying hello here
I’m a huge fan of The National, so when Aaron Dessner announced he’d produced/co-written Folklore, I was surprised. But I he’s such a talented guy, I was like “Yes! Get that Taylor Swift money!”
So I listened to Folklore (sorry, I hate the insistence that you use a lower case letter ) and was kind of surprised that I really liked it. I think Evermore is even better.
I really couldn’t have named many Taylor songs prior to last year, but one thing I was aware of now the way she seems to weave drama from her life into her songs. I’ve never known another songwriter to have all these songs that so clearly reference the writer’s celeb feuds and celeb exes. I kind of used to think that the drama was manufactured so she’d have material for her next hit, tbh. But maybe that was unfair of me (she’s definitely had a couple of showmances, right? I wanna know more!).
Anyway, I’ve been listening to the TS playlist on Spotify and enjoying some of her older stuff too.
Completely agree. The stans make it so much worse, but it's the same for everyone who has an obsessive fanbase. #proudof_______ is the most cringey type. These celebs can do no wrong and if you stan this person you cannot stan this person etc etc.I don’t necessarily agree with all your points here but I can say as someone who has been a longtime fan and has followed her for a very long time now, she definitely has a lot of faults and there are many things that bother me about her. Some of them are just the kind of faults any person has, others are more glaring and really bothersome. (Also in response to one of your points, I do find it interesting that even fans are noticing that Taylor does not really collab with women and her projects are very driven by male producers. I think this is definitely due to internalized misogyny and this idea she has that being accepted by cool male artists is the greatest validation).
What I find odd is that after so many years of defending Taylor against what were genuinely misogynistic attacks, after defending even liking her music and sticking up for her talent, public opinion has shifted and now it‘s like all these people, some of whom even admit they were once ~haters~, now see her as a saint and any criticism as sexist, etc.,....... and most irritatingly there are a lot of false narratives around some of her latest issues and feuds. The hysteria around her masters and the obsession fans have that they’re sticking it to ‘Scooter’ (someone who they didn’t give a duck about a couple years ago) by streaming an updated LS is cringey to me. I feel like there is a lack of nuance and a tendency to obsession and she likes to stoke that tendency for her own benefit.
In complete agreement here. I think some fans do genuinely believe celebs can do no wrong - but nobody is perfect and people do have flaws.Completely agree. The stans make it so much worse, but it's the same for everyone who has an obsessive fanbase. #proudof_______ is the most cringey type. These celebs can do no wrong and if you stan this person you cannot stan this person etc etc.
I can understand her wanting control of her masters and I'm looking forward to the rerecords because I'd like better vocals on some of the songs, but you'd have to be naive to think that money isn't a big part of why she's doing this. But then, she definitely seems to be very generous with her cash to others. Not that she can't afford it, obviously.
I feel like post-rep Taylor is saying all the stuff she wanted to say when she was younger.I see Taylor has called out Netflix/a show called Ginny and Georgia for essentially slut-shaming her. Honestly, no wonder she is sick of it. She's been through the wringer for this since 2010 or earlier. Not sure if anyone has seen this Ellen clip but she basically pushed Taylor to almost tears and I am surprised Taylor has reappeared with her. Ellen is known for being a nasty piece of work.
I am still seeing people say "well she sings about dating, what does she expect?"I feel like post-rep Taylor is saying all the stuff she wanted to say when she was younger.
I always wondered that about her Ellen interview too. I remember specifically calling it out (without naming Ellen but talking about a slideshow of men). I always thought her lover interview in the purple dress was so awkward.
In no particular order:And on another note - if Taylor was to release a greatest hits album (not sure she ever would now because people can always make their own version) - what would you have on it?
I LOVED All Too Well when it came out in 2012 but I don't think it is her best song ever... at the time it came out, yes. But like you, I find that it is way too "popular" now, hahah.In no particular order:
Cruel Summer (my ULTIMATE favourite track)
right where you left me
Dress
So It Goes...
Getaway Car
King of my Heart
Death by a Thousand Cuts
Long Live
Enchanted
The Way I Loved You
august
You Are In Love
I Know Places
the lakes
’tis the damn season
champagne problems
State of Grace
Only The Young
Controversial but I did miss out All Too Well. A great song in its own right, but it puts me off by how much people stan it!!
Also... are you me??? These are all my favIn no particular order:
Cruel Summer (my ULTIMATE favourite track)
right where you left me
Dress
So It Goes...
Getaway Car
King of my Heart
Death by a Thousand Cuts
Long Live
Enchanted
The Way I Loved You
august
You Are In Love
I Know Places
the lakes
’tis the damn season
champagne problems
State of Grace
Only The Young
Controversial but I did miss out All Too Well. A great song in its own right, but it puts me off by how much people stan it!!
Mine not be what people consider a "classic" Greatest Hits album, i.e. all her most well known songs. In my mind, these are some of her greatest creations. I will pick two from every album, haha.Maybe it’s about both - but we’ll probably never know. I just want to know if Taylor and Kim will start publicly being friends now that Kim’s filed for divorce from Kanye.
And on another note - if Taylor was to release a greatest hits album (not sure she ever would now because people can always make their own version) - what would you have on it?
Getaway Car makes me feel things that I can’t explainam i the only one who thinks getaway car and delicate are way too overhyped? they're just eh for me
didn’t know they were adapting conversations with friends. They’ll have a hard job to make it interesting I found the book dull af. He’s an interesting choice, I always imagined Nick as older.This would be impossible to do as she has about 200 songs and I love at least half of them.
I see Joe has been signed up to play Nick in Conversations with friends..
I have read the book, but haven't read Normal People (I have watched it though), so I'm not sure if the writing of the sex scenes was done in the same way. There's plenty of sex in the CWF book but it's not overly descriptive. There's a tonne of very intimate sex scenes in the NP drama... it almost felt intrusive. So, I wonder we're gonna be seeing a LOT more of Joe soon.
It's a very gritty role, definitely. And should get plenty of attention. Could be his major breakthrough.
Getaway Car is one of those songs that just fill you with seratonin, like screaming “he looks up grinning like a devil”. Bring on one of those TS club nights in the UK!am i the only one who thinks getaway car and delicate are way too overhyped? they're just eh for me
Mirrorball is gorgeous.didn’t know they were adapting conversations with friends. They’ll have a hard job to make it interesting I found the book dull af. He’s an interesting choice, I always imagined Nick as older.
No Taylor song tops Mirrorball for me. It’s beautiful.
“You are not like the regulars
The masquerade revelers
Drunk as they watch my shattered edges glisten”
my heart