There’s nothing quite like having an ex air their dirty laundry for all the world to see as soon as you break upPersonally I don’t think Joe would have spoke out if she hadn’t antagonised his with the song. He’s made it very obvious he’s a private person and was probably dying to just get on with this on the down-low but instead got called basically poor and jealous of her fame, a cheater, and then a noncommittal hole for not wanting to marry her. All he’s said about her is she’s acting embarrassing AFTER all of that has been said about him. He reacted a lot better than I would that’s for sure
It was poor judgment on his behalf getting with her in the first place given her track record for airing out dirty laundry publicly if he didn’t want that to happen. It still doesn’t excuse her doing it though
Of course he knew how famous she was, but she doesn’t need to stir the pot at much after their break up. She’s 33 and should be capable of not deliberately fuelling drama.
hopefully she’s living and learning from that one.The fact that she deliberately released a song about Joe to deflect from Matty is super icky in my opinion. There’s no “need” for her to tell the story at this point and it would’ve been better to let the dust settle, especially since she was publicly with someone else. She dragged it out so the world would talk about that instead of her new boyfriends racism and weird porn habits.I don’t really see You’re Losing Me as a ‘provoking’ song, I think it was her way of getting across her side of the story and I don’t see a problem with that, whether or not joe wants to do the same is up to him. He knew Taylor bares her soul through her music when he got together with her so I’m sure he wasn’t surprised to hear the song released.
I also don’t think she’s been ‘weaponising’ her fans against him here, the song doesn’t even speak particularly badly of Joe himself, I more see it as the narrative of desperately trying to save a dying relationship. Perhaps the timing of release was abit calculated but I think that was more to steer the conversation away from Matty rather than provoking Joe.
The Matty thing on the other hand…very messy indeed. She definitely could’ve handled that better but she is only human at the end of the day and we’ve all been on a dodgy rebound before
I’ve had dodgy rebounds sure, but I don’t think I’ve ever deliberately dated a racist.
...I mean at a certain point you are partially the problem...
I think a lot of people (both men and women) do that in general, I know so many people who have “back ups” they keep on the sidelines for if things go wrong. I’ve always found it a bit weird personally.Guys I've been away for a week and come back to a new thread! Absolutely love how active this thread is now
I think it's interesting how ambiguous YLM is, lyrically speaking. She's heavy on the metaphors, (I glared at you with storms in my eyes, all I did was bleed as I tried to be the bravest soldier) but she's never directly addressing what led to the breakdown of the relationship, which makes me think there wasn't cheating involved, but rather lack of effort and/or wanting different things.
To me, her behaviour after the break-up is of someone acting out because their pride has been hurt and they're deeply heartbroken, but are putting on a brave face. Also idk if you guys have experienced this but basically every time I've been dumped my ex has lined someone else up before hand: not having actually cheated, but just got another hob heated in the background so they have something to fall back on once the relationship is over. I think it's common for men to do that (bleeping cowardly tho)
Literally a getaway car. I’m guilty of it and sometimes they just make you realise what you don’t have in a relationship which is why you realise it’s not working anymore. Can innocently start from friendships but also agree some people just can’t be alone so have to line people up.Guys I've been away for a week and come back to a new thread! Absolutely love how active this thread is now
I think it's interesting how ambiguous YLM is, lyrically speaking. She's heavy on the metaphors, (I glared at you with storms in my eyes, all I did was bleed as I tried to be the bravest soldier) but she's never directly addressing what led to the breakdown of the relationship, which makes me think there wasn't cheating involved, but rather lack of effort and/or wanting different things.
To me, her behaviour after the break-up is of someone acting out because their pride has been hurt and they're deeply heartbroken, but are putting on a brave face. Also idk if you guys have experienced this but basically every time I've been dumped my ex has lined someone else up before hand: not having actually cheated, but just got another hob heated in the background so they have something to fall back on once the relationship is over. Then they let the relationship go stale by putting less effort in/causing arguments/gaslighting etc. I think it's common for men to do that (bleeping cowardly tho)
I disagree with this. She’s in a position where she doesn’t need to be with a man who doesn’t give back what she puts in and therefore doesn’t have to settle. A lot of women out there would break up with their partners if they had the money and career she has, a lot of people settle for someone who brings in half the bills unfortunately....I mean at a certain point you are partially the problem...
This seems to be working on the assumption that she's the perfect partner to have and is faultless
No, me neither. I would be too busy watching Gilmore girls on repeat and sobbing into a pint of Ben & Jerrys. Not sure a man would even find me attractive in that situation
It’s just offering another side to it. I’m Taylor’s age and in a relationship as long as her and Joes, if I broke up with my partner tomorrow I’d hate people to say it’s because I can’t keep a man happy.
I don’t think anyone on here’s saying she can’t keep a man happy, but I think a lot of people are very quick to blame Joe.
I agree, I think you need time to heal and grieve, especially when you've spent years with a person. It's like experiencing a death in a way; you lose the person, the future you thought you had and your memories are tainted by sadness. Break-ups are awful and I think people forget how terrible they can feel when they're not going through it themselves.
