Siobh.OHagan #9 Won't cook, underlines books, dances like a constipated rook.

[Fitfan47]

I agree. She doesn't have the knowledge to engage or deliver a result with someone outside of her target market.



Why?

Couple of reasons. 1. Female physiology (periods, hormonal contraception etc) make fat loss in women more difficult with more moving parts. Also working pre and post pregnancy is a different skill. The more you work with women the better you get at working with women, it helps you specialise in it better. So developing it as a skillset is easier if you specialise in just women or just men. Fat loss coaching (should be, not in Siobhans case!!) is a lot more than giving calories and a generalised training plan so for that I choose to specialise in working with women and striving to achieve expert status in female physiology 2. (And this might be slightly sexist but just my experience) I have found a lot of men cross the line when you’re training them and I’d prefer not to have that worry or distraction when I’m working.

 

[HumphreyB]

Thats a bit unfair to women. Youre saying she cant fool men but can fool women?

Absolutely. Women are far more self conscious about their bodies than men and therefore IMO more easily influenced. Typically speaking men will maintain fitness in some form where as women often don’t.

 

[Emdemd]

Couple of reasons. 1. Female physiology (periods, hormonal contraception etc) make fat loss in women more difficult with more moving parts. Also working pre and post pregnancy is a different skill. The more you work with women the better you get at working with women, it helps you specialise in it better. So developing it as a skillset is easier if you specialise in just women or just men. Fat loss coaching (should be, not in Siobhans case!!) is a lot more than giving calories and a generalised training plan so for that I choose to specialise in working with women and striving to achieve expert status in female physiology 2. (And this might be slightly sexist but just my experience) I have found a lot of men cross the line when you’re training them and I’d prefer not to have that worry or distraction when I’m working.

If you specialise in pre and post pregnancy training obviously your client base will be predominantly women.

Based off your first point it sounds like you're putting yourself in a box and the second point...I don't know where you are working but that seems crazy to me.

 

[Beebles]

If her programmes are based on nutrition and some exercises then how can they not cater to men? She doesn’t have qualifications or programmes to support pregnancy or post partum or anything specific to women so I don’t see what’s stopping her unless it’s just her marketing niche of vulnerable women and their insecurities that she’s focussed on

 

[Vivian124]

"Will keep spaces open cos so many want to join"? That's mad seeing as they aren't selling out in the first place. Sure Jan she's an absolute con

 

[Markbire]

If you specialise in pre and post pregnancy training obviously your client base will be predominantly women.

Based off your first point it sounds like you're putting yourself in a box and the second point...I don't know where you are working but that seems crazy to me.

Not necessarily. My trainer works with both sets of clients. Has made a successful business and has 3 trainers working for him. He’s diversified his offering - he knows men and women train differently. I’m in a mixed group of people and even though we do the same. We do different reps and sets.

but he went out of his way to study up on this and went to events etc to upskill. Shiobhan is just lazy and dosnt want to do the work involved to create a specific plan for an individual. She just wants to give out the same A4 page and charge 79.99 for the privilege.

There’s no such thing as for women only or for men only. Look at the curves business model - it dosnt work and they’re either all gone or near extinction. What a man can do in the gym - a woman can aswell.

Apologies if I’m Rampling on but if a transwoman decided to start working out and getting fit and unfortunatly decided to use Shivs services. Is Shiobhan going to say no because she only works with females? She’s making herself even more irrelevant.

 

[not_influenced]

The green outfit does not look comfortable, there is a reason yoga pants are called yoga pants. Compression pants and thick bands like that- I'm half the size of her and I'd have tummy rolls doing yoga in that compression gear!

 

[Fitfan47]

I’ll politely agree to disagree with all above. Obviously I can work with men and am qualified to but I choose not to...and I think that anyone has to choice to work with who they like, be it one gender only, or one specific type of client etc. I have MANY problems with Siobhan as a trainer but this is not one of them.

 

[generalb@stard]

Lets face it - providing training and exercise programmes for 50yo overweight men do not fit her instafit hun brand.
I would say the same for 50yo overweight women are also not the clientele that SOH wants.
'Only already moderately fit, young and healthy females may apply' should be added to the T&Cs.

 

[KellySayne]

Not necessarily. My trainer works with both sets of clients. Has made a successful business and has 3 trainers working for him. He’s diversified his offering - he knows men and women train differently. I’m in a mixed group of people and even though we do the same. We do different reps and sets.

but he went out of his way to study up on this and went to events etc to upskill. Shiobhan is just lazy and dosnt want to do the work involved to create a specific plan for an individual. She just wants to give out the same A4 page and charge 79.99 for the privilege.

There’s no such thing as for women only or for men only. Look at the curves business model - it dosnt work and they’re either all gone or near extinction. What a man can do in the gym - a woman can aswell.

Apologies if I’m Rampling on but if a transwoman decided to start working out and getting fit and unfortunatly decided to use Shivs services. Is Shiobhan going to say no because she only works with females? She’s making herself even more irrelevant.

This! I was going to say this too but was finding it hard to use the right words, imagine turning someone away based on their gender identity whether that be male, female, trans etc its ridiculous!

 

[Emdemd]

Not necessarily. My trainer works with both sets of clients. Has made a successful business and has 3 trainers working for him. He’s diversified his offering - he knows men and women train differently. I’m in a mixed group of people and even though we do the same. We do different reps and sets.

but he went out of his way to study up on this and went to events etc to upskill. Shiobhan is just lazy and dosnt want to do the work involved to create a specific plan for an individual. She just wants to give out the same A4 page and charge 79.99 for the privilege.

There’s no such thing as for women only or for men only. Look at the curves business model - it dosnt work and they’re either all gone or near extinction. What a man can do in the gym - a woman can aswell.

Apologies if I’m Rampling on but if a transwoman decided to start working out and getting fit and unfortunatly decided to use Shivs services. Is Shiobhan going to say no because she only works with females? She’s making herself even more irrelevant.

Yes I completely agree. I personally work with men and women. I was responding to quotes poster who will ONLY work with women.

I’ll politely agree to disagree with all above. Obviously I can work with men and am qualified to but I choose not to...and I think that anyone has to choice to work with who they like, be it one gender only, or one specific type of client etc. I have MANY problems with Siobhan as a trainer but this is not one of them.

You can keep saying it but it doesn't take away from the fact that it's discrimination.
You have openly said your training services are not available to men just because they are men.

Imagine walking into a shop to buy a drill and the man says no sorry I can't serve you cause you're a woman? Or you call out an electrician and they say oh sorry I only choose to service male only households?

Madness

 

[Fitfan47]

Yes I completely agree. I personally work with men and women. I was responding to quotes poster who will ONLY work with women.



You can keep saying it but it doesn't take away from the fact that it's discrimination.
You have openly said your training services are not available to men just because they are men.

Imagine walking into a shop to buy a drill and the man says no sorry I can't serve you cause you're a woman? Or you call out an electrician and they say oh sorry I only choose to service male only households?

Madness

Having a target market for your service is different to selling goods in a public shop? I’m not banning anyone from my gym (as I don’t have one) I’m choosing my clients based on a target market that I am skilled in

 

[Kilingtime]

Having a target market for your service is different to selling goods in a public shop? I’m not banning anyone from my gym (as I don’t have one) I’m choosing my clients based on a target market that I am skilled in

I totally get this. My first strength coach was a woman because she specialised and had trained specifically in women's physiology. I learnt the basics from her and now work with a powerlifting coach who has male & female clients.
I also train with a crossfit style coach as they have specific qualifications and knowledge about that type of training.
I don't see what you're doing as any different to the skills a hairdresser and a hair loss consultant (for example) would have- each have their own particular area of expertise.

 

[KellySayne]

Having a target market for your service is different to selling goods in a public shop? I’m not banning anyone from my gym (as I don’t have one) I’m choosing my clients based on a target market that I am skilled in

We are talking about being approached by a man and refusing service like Siobhan did. Its wrong.

 

[Kilingtime]

We are talking about being approached by a man and refusing service like Siobhan did. Its wrong.

I kinda agree with you there in fairness- there's nothing 'gender' specific about her programme at all- she had no reason not to take him on.

 

[Emdemd]

We are talking about being approached by a man and refusing service like Siobhan did. Its wrong.

Exactly. Thank the lord somebody got the point

 

[starryeyed10]

I agree her programme is not tailored in anyway to anybody. It is generic shite so I don't see how gender matters.

 

[annak92]

Couple of reasons. 1. Female physiology (periods, hormonal contraception etc) make fat loss in women more difficult with more moving parts. Also working pre and post pregnancy is a different skill. The more you work with women the better you get at working with women, it helps you specialise in it better. So developing it as a skillset is easier if you specialise in just women or just men. Fat loss coaching (should be, not in Siobhans case!!) is a lot more than giving calories and a generalised training plan so for that I choose to specialise in working with women and striving to achieve expert status in female physiology 2. (And this might be slightly sexist but just my experience) I have found a lot of men cross the line when you’re training them and I’d prefer not to have that worry or distraction when I’m working.

The pregnancy point would be valid elsewhere but that’s another category Siobhan doesn’t work with

 

[Beebles]

I kinda agree with you there in fairness- there's nothing 'gender' specific about her programme at all- she had no reason not to take him on.

That’s what’s so confusing like she’s not turning him away because it’s female athlete triad specific or anything gendered at all, she’s just saying to go else where for no reason? Her training videos are basic, basic workouts which a child could do and her “nutrition” is an excel sheet with a couple of plagiarised recipes from an American blog. It’s not like she’s turning him down cause he won’t fit in with all the before and after Pics because we don’t see them! She’s entitled to pick her target market but what she’s doing here is refusing someone service due to their age and gender

 

[JustmeKC]

Felt bad for the person who asked her for help with their dad and she was like my program is only for women, he should spend his money elsewhere. Very dismissive! I hate sexism no matter which side it comes from too, if a male PT excluded women from a (very basic) plan wouldn't that be rude AF?

I'm a woman by the way, I just think she was wrong here. Im sure a man who is overweight in his fifties could have benefitted from it if he didn't know about calorie counting or whatever, its not like her plans are that indepth that only women could benefit.

I thought it was a fairly level response tbh. She said she knows women (debatable) & that’s who her plan is aimed at. Slightly dismissive, but not the worst thing she’s done