Ah, the Daily Heil.....if there is a lunatic to find they wil find them
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Love that he’s wondering if she tried to groom him and the DM did everything in their power to choose the weirdest pictures of them hugging where he manages to look creepy
Agreed. I can't take a "danger tourist" at all seriously on any matter.
Nothing dangerous about the north or Ukraine if you follow the rules.
Place into the WHOPPER category
With these camps people easily slip in and out of, bribe in and out of, there only seems to be one conclusion.. intelligence within.
There will have been operatives in place there for months on end, gathering intelligence of what really goes on and the mood of the camps. The real risk of who is there. She's obviously high risk to the UK so not coming back.
Also she committed her crimes abroad in Syria, which is where she should be tried.
Not really sure where the debate is here....
There will have been operatives in place there for months on end, gathering intelligence of what really goes on and the mood of the camps. The real risk of who is there. She's obviously high risk to the UK so not coming back.
Also she committed her crimes abroad in Syria, which is where she should be tried.
Not really sure where the debate is here....
You don’t think someone went to join a death cult, who didn’t have any reaction to seeing a severed human head (as he was an ‘enemy of islam’), who has shown no real remorse for her actions, might have the potential to be a national security threat? She herself said she only supports some British values, was inspired to join after watching beheading videos, tried to argue that the Manchester bombing was justified and thought that it was acceptable to murder and grape the Yazidi’s because ‘Shia do the same in Iraq'. The less we have of this type of person in the UK the better.
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Yeah, let the Syrians deal with her. She's their responsibility now
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Why should she be the Kurds problem though? Or Bangladesh's? They both have nothing to do with isis. She was radicalised here, the met basically knew she was going and did nothing, she was smuggled over the border by a Western intelligence asset.
It's not about thinking she's a lovely person or a victim, it's about taking responsibility for our citizen and not expecting an oppressed group in a war battered country to have to support her indefinitely.
The thing is she is now Bangladesh’s issue because we revoked her citizenship. Regardless of if they want to claim her or not, she lost her UK citizenship at 19 so she’s a Bangladeshi citizen.Yeah, let the Syrians deal with her. She's their responsibility now
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Why should she be the Kurds problem though? Or Bangladesh's? They both have nothing to do with isis. She was radicalised here, the met basically knew she was going and did nothing, she was smuggled over the border by a Western intelligence asset.
It's not about thinking she's a lovely person or a victim, it's about taking responsibility for our citizen and not expecting an oppressed group in a war battered country to have to support her indefinitely.
‘Why should she be the Kurds problem though? Or Bangladesh's? They both have nothing to do with isis.’ - I don’t get this, they had Isis members from all over the world? Including those countries, isis is an issue and problem for everyone.
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Who is the oppressed group? Not being combative here, is this who runs the camps?
The fact she has shown zero remorse. I'm not buying the she was groomed and she was only 15, when in the news of late there has been kids killing other kids. It's about time we as people have to admit some young people are just kinked in the head and not mentally ill or groomed. Now the bit that gets me is her babies, how does 3 babies die of malnutrition? Was she not feeding them, she doesn't look skinny or malnourished herself, did her breast milk stop or where they even her babies? I do not trust that woman as far as I could throw her, our government has a duty of care to all 66 million people in the country, why add more problems with this 1 person, she is not to be trusted
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Bangladesh has issued before she will be executed if she darkens their doorstepYeah, let the Syrians deal with her. She's their responsibility now
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Why should she be the Kurds problem though? Or Bangladesh's? They both have nothing to do with isis. She was radicalised here, the met basically knew she was going and did nothing, she was smuggled over the border by a Western intelligence asset.
It's not about thinking she's a lovely person or a victim, it's about taking responsibility for our citizen and not expecting an oppressed group in a war battered country to have to support her indefinitely.
Kurdish people run the camps and have faced persecution and genocide for years. They are a stateless people.
The British arrogance is honestly staggering.
She is definitely an example, none of the other people who have come back have had her public profile. I hadn't thought about it until it was mentioned in the podcast but her family, in publicising her to try and get her back to the UK, have basically done the total opposite
It's not hard for babies to die when there's improper sanitation and a lack of food and clean water.
Newborn babies only require milk, milk she would be producing from her body, she said malnutrition not sanitation. Does shamima look malnourished or a bag of bones to you? Her skin looks clear, her clothes look clean and her nails are manicured and painted, sanitation you say?
At this point you are just trolling the thread either you are Shamima or staggeringly naive to want her back. She’s the whole worlds problem.
We get it. You want her back. You’ve said the same thing 9,000 times.
Do we have to read the same arguement another 9,000 times. Please no!
Make it stop. At tbe very least you can make a new contribution to the thread. An actual fact would be nice
And the biggest giveaway that sanitation is adequate is her hair looks clean and healthy...
Have you ever breastfed?
Yet she has clean clothes on, her face nice and clean, her nails done, hair washed and brushed, hardly the super model stick insect.. Admit it they either weren't her kids or she let them die. We only have her word she had 3 of them, and the fact she has zero remorse they died as she stated she's 'over it' don't alarm bells not ring with you or you and empty vessel? When a woman doesn't give a jot her babies (if she of course had them) died then she's hardly going to give a jot about you if she makes it into the uk to kill you. Nobody gets over a child dying unless of course your shamima.
Lots of other people are making the same point over and over too. Yourself included.At this point you are just trolling the thread either you are Shamima or staggeringly naive to want her back. She’s the whole worlds problem.
We get it. You want her back. You’ve said the same thing 9,000 times.
Do we have to read the same arguement another 9,000 times. Please no!
At tbe very least you can make a new contribution to the thread. An actual fact would be nice
Are you saying its factually incorrect that the Kurdish people are stateless and have been persecuted? Google is free.
Of course I have, I know of few who couldn't produce milk for reasons.. But the vast majority of women who have had kids will produce milk. The very reason you are asking someone this is either you're a male or an idiot
It's pretty clear from the judgement that there is a tranche of information that isn't in the public domain. We can only guess what that might be. My feeling is the government has pursued a policy of depriving citizenship from everyone they thought they could get away with (including some that they eventually couldn't). I don't think that Shamima Begum is unusual in that respect. The major difference between her and most of the other cases is that she was known to the public before the decision about her citizenship was taken. It seems that the Home Secretary saw an opportunity for political capital in her case and put pressure on to get her citizenship revoked asap. However SIAC said that just because the decision was rushed doesn't mean that it was wrong.
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