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Polythene Pam

Polythene Pam

Lazarus said:
She’s not free though, is she? She’s stuck in a camp in Syria and can’t come back. IMO, the longer she’s there I think the more the government can say she’s probably been radicalised further and presents a bigger risk. Government Legal Department lawyers must be pretty sure of themselves if they’re prepared to keep going with this.
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She's there for as long as the Kurds hold her or until she escapes like her pal Sharmeena did. She doesn't have to come back to the UK to be a threat to its security.
Just seems a strange risk to take if she's so dangerous. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
 
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Salted Caramel

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monga said:
I believe him.
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That's great that you believe him. The problem with this is, if the government, or any government, go down this line of "oh if you knew what we knew" then ANYTHING goes. I cannot believe people are OK with this.

She can't ever come back here, that's clear. I'd really like to know if thorough reviews have been done as to how multiple children (evenmoreso Muslim girls) left the country, during school term time, without adults, to travel to a country known as a trafficking point to ISIS territory.

Begum is a disgusting individual who deserves no sympathy, but there are bigger issues here and we are being distracted by this when bigger questions need to be answered.
 
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monga

monga

stunrw said:
OK.

Last week a security officer was sent down by a UK judge for offences committed in Germany against the UK embassy.

BND and UK Security services working in total partnership. 90% of the evidence couldn't be seen or heard in open court. He still got a lengthy term

In any democratic country there are things nobody other than those with the appropriate vetting don't need to know.
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Believe me I know all about collusion living in NI we don’t need any explanations, there’s always security operations going on, there’s just been an off duty police man shot dead a few minutes ago you can be sure they’ll have somebody in custody very soon.
 
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Polythene Pam said:
I was responding to a comment that said that the government had made the decision so we have to trust its in the national interest.
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I mean, there is such a thing as open justice. But OK.
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I will apologise now as that's now as I read it as you criticising the judiciary. On this point you are 110% right.

Trust the bench and you can't go far wrong
 
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Polythene Pam

Polythene Pam

stunrw said:
I will apologise now as that's now as I read it as you criticising the judiciary. On this point you are 110% right.

Trust the bench and you can't go far wrong
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Agree 100% and I think the proceedings are far from over tbh.
 
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monga

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Salted Caramel said:
That's great that you believe him. The problem with this is, if the government, or any government, go down this line of "oh if you knew what we knew" then ANYTHING goes. I cannot believe people are OK with this.

She can't ever come back here, that's clear. I'd really like to know if thorough reviews have been done as to how multiple children (evenmoreso Muslim girls) left the country, during school term time, without adults, to travel to a country known as a trafficking point to ISIS territory.

Begum is a disgusting individual who deserves no sympathy, but there are bigger issues here and we are being distracted by this when bugger questions need to be answered.
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Anything does go and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it, there’s been many atrocities committed by the state and nothing is ever done about it.
 
Merpedy

Merpedy

The SIAC noted that its role was confined to an examination of whether there was a proper basis in fact and in law for the Home Secretary's decision, and it was not the role of the SIAC to effectively overrule the Government's view on threats to national security.
Mr Justice Jay stated: "t is for the Secretary of State to decide what is in the public interest, and how much weight to give to certain factors, subject always to this Commission intervening on ordinary administrative law principles. This Secretary of State … maintains that national security is a weighty factor and that it would take a very strong countervailing case to outweigh it. Reasonable people will profoundly disagree with the Secretary of State, but that raises wider societal and political questions which it is not the role of this Commission to address."
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RE discretion given to the Government regarding national security, though I think the above poster already explained
 
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Polythene Pam said:
From a legal perspective its a very interesting case, whatever the outcome!
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Whilst not in any universe a lawyer.....not clever enough, too lazy etc, in my professional capacity this sort of impacts what I do at work occasionally. So I will read all 76 pages. Not understand half of it and ask my legal colleague at work 😂
 
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Polythene Pam

Polythene Pam

stunrw said:
Whilst not in any universe a lawyer.....not clever enough, too lazy etc, in my professional capacity this sort of impacts what I do at work occasionally. So I will read all 76 pages. Not understand half of it and ask my legal colleague at work 😂
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I am a lawyer but absolutely not an immigration lawyer... so, same here 😆
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Merpedy said:
RE discretion given to the Government regarding national security, though I think the above poster already explained
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Parliamentary sovereignty! It's powerful and a bit scary at times.
 
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Polythene Pam said:
I am a lawyer but absolutely not an immigration lawyer... so, same here 😆
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Parliamentary sovereignty! It's powerful and a bit scary at times.
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If it involves immigration law in our office I offer to go and buy coffee 😂
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Parliamentary sovereignty! It's powerful and a bit scary at times.
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I've now just caught on to where you are coming from (long day/lack of alcohol)

Yes, I see where you are coming from. It's a seoeration of powers thing?
 
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Salted Caramel

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I wonder how much the Canadian intelligence is tied up in this? I really wish Homeland was still running on TV. They would have a field day with this kind of story!
 
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OnlyHereForTheLolz

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monga said:
Anything does go and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it, there’s been many atrocities committed by the state and nothing is ever done about it.
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There’s no point even trying. A few people on here have no critical thinking skills.
 
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