Shamima Begum

[Salted Caramel]

I never stated she has seen/watched a beheading? But whether I saw a head being cut off or after the act, I would be deeply bothered by this.

I didn't say you had, it's just often reported that way on social media etc.
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Why should people believe her ? There must be some reason why intelligent deem her a threat, hasn’t it been reported that women sympathetic to the cause rear their children on vids of beheadings from they’re old enough to walk, they groom their own children to be martyrs, this is the reality of ISIS one of the most manipulative organisations in the world that this woman whole heartedly threw herself at, the only reason she’s looking to come back is because her husband isn’t around.

The Women of ISIS and the Al-Hol Camp

Women and children in the al-Hol Camp are conducting ISIS operations and perpetuating ISIS's ideology.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Not sure if your question is at me, but there is no reason why anyone should believe her. As I've already said, the first girl who left her school for ISIS has already escaped from the prison camp and is back living with them.

 

[Emsie]

Why should we pay for her if she was to come back here, somewhere she only seems to want to be as her original plan went wrong?
Regardless of her age then, to this day she has never shown remorse. She admits she wasn’t bothered by the beheadings etc.
I would also assume her movements are being monitored. Plus she’s in the news enough, so I doubt she will go missing as long as she is loving the limelight

I mean why should we pay for MP lunches, Maxine carr, Jon Venables, all the prisoners in prison right now, the royal family? Why should Bangladesh pay for her?
I'm not sure I like the idea of assuming someone somewhere is keeping an eye on her. Doesn't sound the safest to me tbh.

 

[monga]

I didn't say you had, it's just often reported that way on social media etc.
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Not sure if your question is at me, but there is no reason why anyone should believe her. As I've already said, the first girl who left her school for ISIS has already escaped from the prison camp and is back living with them.

I’m assuming if she returned it would take a lot of monitoring which we know the government don’t do, what happens then

 

[Polythene Pam]

Apparently the camp she's in is basically a radicalisation camp so it seems pretty stupid to leave her languishing there. She's more of a danger out there than here being watched imo.

 

[JSquared]

I mean why should we pay for MP lunches, Maxine carr, Jon Venables, all the prisoners in prison right now, the royal family? Why should Bangladesh pay for her?
I'm not sure I like the idea of assuming someone somewhere is keeping an eye on her. Doesn't sound the safest to me tbh.

No you are right. It’s not for Bangladesh to pay for her at all, and I wasn’t implying that in my response above.
I just think she chose to go elsewhere, to live with criminals/murderers, and she only wants to come back now it’s all gone wrong. Let her rot where she wanted to be

 

[monga]

Who would watch her? All the more reason to question why she’s being allowed to dress as she has and show regret against ISIS without repercussion from the others in camp.

 

[emm]

Apparently the camp she's in is basically a radicalisation camp so it seems pretty stupid to leave her languishing there. She's more of a danger out there than here being watched imo.

This is the major issue , she is a huge threat now there, imagine being around loads of isis members but then even more than that you have nothing else, you have no country to go bCk to, what else does she have?

 

[Jackie Brown]

Who would watch her? All the more reason to question why she’s being allowed to dress as she has and show regret against ISIS without repercussion from the others in camp.

I watched the documentary earlier and I wondered this about how she’s dressed. How is she being “allowed“ to dress in Western clothes, hair not covered, etc. I would have thought she’d be under pressure to remain in the full Islamic burka, etc.

 

[monga]

I watched the documentary earlier and I wondered this about how she’s dressed. How is she being “allowed“ to dress in Western clothes, hair not covered, etc. I would have thought she’d be under pressure to remain in the full Islamic burka, etc.

Even sunglasses aren’t tolerated…Yet here she is….
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This is the major issue , she is a huge threat now there, imagine being around loads of isis members but then even more than that you have nothing else, you have no country to go bCk to, what else does she have?

She’s got martyrdom…

 

[Warpaint]

I watched the documentary earlier and I wondered this about how she’s dressed. How is she being “allowed“ to dress in Western clothes, hair not covered, etc. I would have thought she’d be under pressure to remain in the full Islamic burka, etc.

I'd imagine she was taken to a private room, guards paid off by the documentary makers and given the clothes to wear for the duration of the interview. The producers seemed to be going for the ISIS bride influencer vibe.

 

[Moth]

I'd imagine she was taken to a private room, guards paid off by the documentary makers and given the clothes to wear for the duration of the interview. The producers seemed to be going for the ISIS bride influencer vibe.

It's not a publicity stunt. At least not a temporary one. There are a number of women in the Al-Roj camp, mainly but not exclusively Europeans, who have stopped wearing the burqa and reverted to 'western' dress. They are segregated in the camp and under the protection of the guards.

Over 400 people who went to Syria have returned to the UK but very few have been successfully prosecuted.

 

[NeverEnough]

This is the major issue , she is a huge threat now there, imagine being around loads of isis members but then even more than that you have nothing else, you have no country to go bCk to, what else does she have?

And now I’m deeply confused. I thought she was radicalised in the UK. The mantra of those who want her back, even on this thread was “She was born here, radicalised here, and is the UKs problem”. So in effect what you are saying is she has now been further radicalised and if she was a threat then she is now a “huge threat” (your own words). I’m then utterly perplexed as to why anyone can believe that a huge threat is safer in the country she had actually pledged to attack with the opportunity to spread her hatred to other people via visits etc, rather than 2000 miles away sitting in a camp with no immediate hope of return.

Who do you believe will be keeping an eye on her 24/7? Or do you think she is a prime candidate for one of your super duper magic deradicalisation chats that were so successful with Usman Khan?

 

[NeverEnough]

Apparently the camp she's in is basically a radicalisation camp so it seems pretty stupid to leave her languishing there. She's more of a danger out there than here being watched imo.

Which logic do you follow which states that she will be more dangerous sitting in a camp 2000 miles away than if she was actually in the country she has pledged to harm?

Is the fox more dangerous inside the henhouse or outside looking in?
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It's not a publicity stunt. At least not a temporary one. There are a number of women in the Al-Roj camp, mainly but not exclusively Europeans, who have stopped wearing the burqa and reverted to 'western' dress. They are segregated in the camp and under the protection of the guards.

Over 400 people who went to Syria have returned to the UK but very few have been successfully prosecuted.

And this is why so many people are ever so slightly sceptical of her sudden transformation, as the vast majority of the pre-midnight flit photos show that she actually wore Islamic dress when she lived in the West, at least in public. So did her female family members, and her two friends. Awfully convenient change of heart.

 

[Moth]

And this is why so many people are ever so slightly sceptical of her sudden transformation, as the vast majority of the pre-midnight flit photos show that she actually wore Islamic dress when she lived in the West, at least in public. So did her female family members, and her two friends. Awfully convenient change of heart.

I don't doubt that her 'transformation' is part of her strategy to get back to the UK. I was just responding to the suggestion that it was set-up just for her interview. There are plenty of newspaper articles about her over the last few years in which she is pictured in western dress and makeup. And as I said, she isn't the only one.

 

[Polythene Pam]

Which logic do you follow which states that she will be more dangerous sitting in a camp 2000 miles away than if she was actually in the country she has pledged to harm?

Is the fox more dangerous inside the henhouse or outside looking in?

She's with ISIS members in the camp. She could leave and rejoin ISIS. That would make her very dangerous.
Shamima in a British jail is far less dangerous, in my opinion.

 

[Merpedy]

Interesting note from the podcast:

when she’s talking about marrying she says she wants unconditional love. Says that she felt that her friendships felt like they were on the condition of her liking ISIS (which I didn’t particularly like as it seems her pushing the blame on everyone else but whatever) and implies that it also felt conditional with her family. And no I’m not implying that her family are some undercover ISIS supporters, just likely that they didn’t have the best relationship as we discussed above

 

[Salted Caramel]

Interesting note from the podcast:

when she’s talking about marrying she says she wants unconditional love. Says that she felt that her friendships felt like they were on the condition of her liking ISIS (which I didn’t particularly like as it seems her pushing the blame on everyone else but whatever) and implies that it also felt conditional with her family. And no I’m not implying that her family are some undercover ISIS supporters, just likely that they didn’t have the best relationship as we discussed above

In her eyes, she didn't. In the doc she talks about how she felt her parents "oppressed" her. When she left she stood at the bus stop with her mother in silence.

Her sister was deeply upset when it was discovered she had left. Begum describes herself as "arrogant" and "wouldn't have listened" had anyone tried to dissuade her.

 

[monga]

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-...the-uk-how-did-she-get-to-this-point-12816397Shamima Begum to find out today if she is allowed back in the UK

 

[L3moning]

I've said from the start that the least painful way for the government to deal with this would be to let her come back, arrest her immediately and put her on trial. That's far more transparent than what they've actually done.

 

[Moth]

I've said from the start that the least painful way for the government to deal with this would be to let her come back, arrest her immediately and put her on trial. That's far more transparent than what they've actually done.

What would she be charged with and what do you think would be the sentence if found guilty? I ask because there seems to be an expectation in some quarters that she would be charged and inevitably receive a long prison sentence. I don't think either is necessarily correct. Very few people that returned from Syria were charged with any offence.