Shamima Begum

[Emsie]

QUOTE="thegirlscout, post: 13946060, member: 59523"]
I was just asking a question in reference to her being stateless, I didn’t know if she could claim Bangladeshi citizenship.
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I think this idea was floated but i don't think she actually can but either way it's nothing to do with Bangladesh, we shouldn't be dumping our rubbish over the fence

 

[Clytemnestra]

Jack Letts?

Canada to repatriate British-born 'Jihadi Jack' along with 22 others held in Syria

Jack Letts, who was stripped of his UK citizenship in 2019 after fleeing to Syria to allegedly become an Islamic State fighter, is thought to be among the group to be repatriated.

news.sky.com

He had dual citizenship; Begum just had the misfortune to have non-white parents and make a really stupid decision - reminds me also of the girl whon ran off with her teacher to France. Idiot choice with no thought of the consequences - I'm a parent of teens & they & their friends are VERY capable of making catastrophially bad choices sometimes, no matter how lovely they are. Being 19 with 3 dead babies behind her though - I just think she's been punished enough for a mad choice she made while a child.

 

[Merpedy]

I don’t think her story mirrors Begums at all, this girl was radicalised at home .

Shamima was radicalised primarily by a close friend. While yes there is a difference between family members and friends, there's some similarities after that little revelation most people didn't seem to be aware of

It's hard to know much about Shamima beyond that, but the impression I get from everything on the podcast is that she was very shy and placed a lot of value on her friends before she joined ISIS. It struck me as weird that she went from having no particular religious leanings to seemingly really enjoying participating in the religion after the friend appeared with her religious ideas

 

[Moth]

He had dual citizenship; Begum just had the misfortune to have non-white parents and make a really stupid decision - reminds me also of the girl whon ran off with her teacher to France. Idiot choice with no thought of the consequences - I'm a parent of teens & they & their friends are VERY capable of making catastrophially bad choices sometimes, no matter how lovely they are. Being 19 with 3 dead babies behind her though - I just think she's been punished enough for a mad choice she made while a child.

So did Shamima Begum.

 

[monga]

Shamima was radicalised primarily by a close friend. While yes there is a difference between family members and friends, there's some similarities after that little revelation most people didn't seem to be aware of

It's hard to know much about Shamima beyond that, but the impression I get from everything on the podcast is that she was very shy and placed a lot of value on her friends before she joined ISIS. It struck me as weird that she went from having no particular religious leanings to seemingly really enjoying participating in the religion after the friend appeared with her religious ideas

That child seems as though she was failed by the system , her background suggests SS involvement, there was sexual abuse as well as the other things she was subjected to, she couldn’t just walk away that’s the difference.

 

[Merpedy]

That child seems as though she was failed by the system , her background suggests SS involvement, there was sexual abuse as well as the other things she was subjected to, she couldn’t just walk away that’s the difference.

Again, hard to know much about Shamima's background. Though I would argue that she was also failed by the system - why did the school not keep an extra close eye on the friend group after one of their friends ran off to ISIS?

 

[monga]

Again, hard to know much about Shamima's background. Though I would argue that she was also failed by the system - why did the school not keep an extra close eye on the friend group after one of their friends ran off to ISIS?

It’s not up to a school to rear a child that’s the parents job, schools have child protection officers but there’s a limit to what they can do, it’s a bit lame to blame the school for something that happens outside of school hours, maybe her parents were part of the radicalisation if her backround is unknown? I was under the belief they were good parents?

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

He had dual citizenship; Begum just had the misfortune to have non-white parents and make a really stupid decision - reminds me also of the girl whon ran off with her teacher to France. Idiot choice with no thought of the consequences - I'm a parent of teens & they & their friends are VERY capable of making catastrophially bad choices sometimes, no matter how lovely they are. Being 19 with 3 dead babies behind her though - I just think she's been punished enough for a mad choice she made while a child.

You can’t compare running of with a pead0 to joining a terrorist group.
Shamima is a dual citizen and Bangladesh revoked her citizenship before the UK did.
You can’t seriously be crying racism over this? She still refuses to acknowledge a lot of what she did plus she’s still considered a high risk

 

[Merpedy]

maybe her parents were part of the radicalisation if her backround is unknown? I was under the belief they were good parents?

Being good parents in public doesn't necessarily mean that everything is good behind closed doors

 

[monga]

Being good parents in public doesn't necessarily mean that everything is good behind closed doors

Exactly! She could’ve been living their dream for all we know. even more reason to think the choice she made was the right one and her beliefs will be stronger than ever if she was born into it.

 

[emm]

Exactly! She could’ve been living their dream for all we know. even more reason to think the choice she made was the right one and her beliefs will be stronger than ever if she was born into it.

That's the thing, you never even know had the school contacted them would they have done anything?
From the podcast to me it sounds like she didn't have a particularly close relationship with her parents

 

[Moth]

You can’t compare running of with a pead0 to joining a terrorist group.
Shamima is a dual citizen and Bangladesh revoked her citizenship before the UK did.
You can’t seriously be crying racism over this? She still refuses to acknowledge a lot of what she did plus she’s still considered a high risk

Bangladesh did not revoke her citizenship. In 2020 (after her British citizenship was revoked) the Bangladeshi Minister of Foreign Affairs made a statement that "The clear position of the government of Bangladesh is British citizen Shamima was never a Bangladeshi citizen ... [Shamima Begum] doesn't have any rights in this regard and there is no scope to allow her to enter Bangladesh".

However, as part of her appeal against the revocation of her British citizenship the Special Immigration Appeals Commission found that under Bangladeshi law, Shamima Begum became a Bangladeshi citizen by descent when she was born. Citizens that also held citizenship of another country would retain their Bangladeshi citizenship until the age of 21 after which they must apply to renew it. Shamima Begum was 19 when her British citizenship was revoked and therefore she still held her Bangladeshi citizenship at that time.

 

[Merpedy]

That's the thing, you never even know had the school contacted them would they have done anything?
From the podcast to me it sounds like she didn't have a particularly close relationship with her parents

I would say that if she had a supportive family it's a lot less likely that her feelings of being oppressed by society would have led to this

I refuse to function on the basis that the family themselves are some sort of radicals. It's a perfect example of the opinions Shamima would have faced in her everyday life though

 

[monga]

I would say that if she had a supportive family it's a lot less likely that her feelings of being oppressed by society would have led to this

I refuse to function on the basis that the family themselves are some sort of radicals. It's a perfect example of the opinions Shamima would have faced in her everyday life though

How do you know her feelings were to do with society making her feel oppressed as opposed to her dedication to the “cause “ of which she joined, many terrorists are dedicated to the beliefs of the organisation’s they join and nothing to do with anything they’ve experienced on a personal level, the White Widow being a perfect example of this.
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That's the thing, you never even know had the school contacted them would they have done anything?
From the podcast to me it sounds like she didn't have a particularly close relationship with her parents

Not everyone has a close relationship , even those that do tend to pull away from parents in their teenage years .

 

[Warpaint]

There was an interesting documentary years ago that followed 3 British people who were under watch from the Counter Terrorism Police. The suspects would be tagged, get phoned at all hours of the night multiple times and the police could and would just rock up at any time. It drove the suspects practically insane. However this was when the aftermath of the Iraq war was at its height and 9/11 - 7/7 still fresh in people's minds. I'm not sure what it would be like now - I'd imagine not as intense as that. The authorities failed with their watch list with the Manchester Arena bomber which brought to light how slack they'd become.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

Bangladesh did not revoke her citizenship. In 2020 (after her British citizenship was revoked) the Bangladeshi Minister of Foreign Affairs made a statement that "The clear position of the government of Bangladesh is British citizen Shamima was never a Bangladeshi citizen ... [Shamima Begum] doesn't have any rights in this regard and there is no scope to allow her to enter Bangladesh".

However, as part of her appeal against the revocation of her British citizenship the Special Immigration Appeals Commission found that under Bangladeshi law, Shamima Begum became a Bangladeshi citizen by descent when she was born. Citizens that also held citizenship of another country would retain their Bangladeshi citizenship until the age of 21 after which they must apply to renew it. Shamima Begum was 19 when her British citizenship was revoked and therefore she still held her Bangladeshi citizenship at that time.

She did have citizenship. They can say what they want but she always had citizenship.

 

[Moth]

She did have citizenship. They can say what they want but she always had citizenship.

That's what I said. According to Bangladeshi law she had Bangladeshi citizenship from birth right up to the point her British citizenship was revoked. Whether she had Bangladeshi citizenship after that is irrelevant.

 

[NeverEnough]

QUOTE="thegirlscout, post: 13946060, member: 59523"]
I was just asking a question in reference to her being stateless, I didn’t know if she could claim Bangladeshi citizenship.

I think this idea was floated but i don't think she actually can but either way it's nothing to do with Bangladesh, we shouldn't be dumping our rubbish over the fence
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As pointed out above she had dual citizenship at the time, therefore on removal of her British citizenship she would have reverted to purely a Bangladeshi citizen. Not quite sure of the precedent you are introducing that states that the welfare of Bangladeshi citizens is “nothing to do with Bangladesh”. If she is now stateless that is because she chose not renew her Bangladeshi citizenship thus effectively rendering herself into this position. Just another in the long line of stupid decisions that this girl seems capable of making. Guess she struggles to learn.

It would be interesting to see what her thought process was as Bangladesh is a majority Muslim country where she would not have to feel “oppressed”. It is surely her most earnest wish to live in such a society. It surely can’t be because Bangladesh has the death sentence for terrorist acts, given she was a simple innocent housewife. And after all her last declared allegiance was to the Islamic State, which was noted for it’s enthusiasm for the death sentence, often streamed live on the internet. Do I detect the merest hint of hypocritical cowardice from the Mighty Jihadi war….sorry housewife.

Hmm so let’s see. A hypocritical cowardly religious bigot who is as thick as a brick, and seems well practiced in the art of manipulation. She really is a smorgasbord of the worst humanity has to offer. And no she has certainly not “suffered enough”.

 

[emm]

I think this idea was floated but i don't think she actually can but either way it's nothing to do with Bangladesh, we shouldn't be dumping our rubbish over the fence

As pointed out above she had dual citizenship at the time, therefore on removal of her British citizenship she would have reverted to purely a Bangladeshi citizen. Not quite sure of the precedent you are introducing that states that the welfare of Bangladeshi citizens is “nothing to do with Bangladesh”. If she is now stateless that is because she chose not renew her Bangladeshi citizenship thus effectively rendering herself into this position. Just another in the long line of stupid decisions that this girl seems capable of making. Guess she struggles to learn.

It would be interesting to see what her thought process was as Bangladesh is a majority Muslim country where she would not have to feel “oppressed”. It is surely her most earnest wish to live in such a society. It surely can’t be because Bangladesh has the death sentence for terrorist acts, given she was a simple innocent housewife. And after all her last declared allegiance was to the Islamic State, which was noted for it’s enthusiasm for the death sentence, often streamed live on the internet. Do I detect the merest hint of hypocritical cowardice from the Mighty Jihadi war….sorry housewife.

Hmm so let’s see. A hypocritical cowardly religious bigot who is as thick as a brick, and seems well practiced in the art of manipulation. She really is a smorgasbord of the worst humanity has to offer. And no she has certainly not “suffered enough”.
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I think regardless of anything we cannot set the precedent of deporting our citizens to places they have never lived, in the way we never should have in the Windrush thing.

 

[NeverEnough]

As pointed out above she had dual citizenship at the time, therefore on removal of her British citizenship she would have reverted to purely a Bangladeshi citizen. Not quite sure of the precedent you are introducing that states that the welfare of Bangladeshi citizens is “nothing to do with Bangladesh”. If she is now stateless that is because she chose not renew her Bangladeshi citizenship thus effectively rendering herself into this position. Just another in the long line of stupid decisions that this girl seems capable of making. Guess she struggles to learn.

It would be interesting to see what her thought process was as Bangladesh is a majority Muslim country where she would not have to feel “oppressed”. It is surely her most earnest wish to live in such a society. It surely can’t be because Bangladesh has the death sentence for terrorist acts, given she was a simple innocent housewife. And after all her last declared allegiance was to the Islamic State, which was noted for it’s enthusiasm for the death sentence, often streamed live on the internet. Do I detect the merest hint of hypocritical cowardice from the Mighty Jihadi war….sorry housewife.

Hmm so let’s see. A hypocritical cowardly religious bigot who is as thick as a brick, and seems well practiced in the art of manipulation. She really is a smorgasbord of the worst humanity has to offer. And no she has certainly not “suffered enough”.

I think regardless of anything we cannot set the precedent of deporting our citizens to places they have never lived, in the way we never should have in the Windrush thing.
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She isn’t a UK citizen. It was removed. And is therefore not “ours”. And this wasn’t a precedent. There have been 464 such cases.

How many people have been stripped of their British citizenship? - Free Movement

At least 464 people have been stripped of their British citizenship since the law allowing it was relaxed 15 years ago, Free Movement analysis shows.

freemovement.org.uk

Whether or not she has ever lived there is frankly irrelevant. She had a choice, Bangladesh or a prison camp, she chose the latter.

Are you concerned about her welfare?