Sorry but that’s BS. The science is not limited. Rosemary lives on takeaways and eating out. It’s actually straightforward but there’s so many fads that have confused things. As another poster said, even going for a walk would make a difference. Rosemary lifted weights and ate beef for breakfast and then complained that she couldn’t lose weight
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You’re the only one talking BS.
Obesity has not been extensively studied and it’s only in recent years that research has actually been focused on this topic.
Researchers are only scratching the surface in terms of the impact on hormones, genetics, the modern food environment (not only ultra processed foods but also the impact of things like fertilisers and breeding practices in agriculture) as well as theories like weight set point.
I don’t know why people like you are so invested in calling people lazy rather than actually allowing your opinion as the science improves.
I suggest you read ‘Why we eat (too much)’ by Dr Andrew Jenkinson, a surgeon who actually performs weightloss surgery in the UK.
Obesity has not been extensively studied and it’s only in recent years that research has actually been focused on this topic.
Researchers are only scratching the surface in terms of the impact on hormones, genetics, the modern food environment (not only ultra processed foods but also the impact of things like fertilisers and breeding practices in agriculture) as well as theories like weight set point.
I don’t know why people like you are so invested in calling people lazy rather than actually allowing your opinion as the science improves.
I suggest you read ‘Why we eat (too much)’ by Dr Andrew Jenkinson, a surgeon who actually performs weightloss surgery in the UK.
I'd suggest that 90% of people put weight back on because they stop 'dieting'. Dieting is what we do every day when we choose what we eat and what we don't really isn't it?
I think there should be more talk from slim people about how they maintain their weight, how it can be a complete chore and difficult to do. The same with exercise. I think there is this idea that being slim is just easy for slim people(I'm sure it is for some) but the reality for lots of us is that it means saying no when we really actually do want the cake and going for a run when actually we really don't want to or enjoy it. It means having a rough idea of what you eat everyday and how many calories are in it vs how many you use.
Being a healthy weight to me and lots of people is a chore like cleaning the house, you don't like doing it, you resent the time it takes but you know it has to be done. You hear people saying things like 'I'm not the exercising type' but the reality is lots of people who exercise aren't the 'exercising type' either they just do it because they know it's good for them.
I suppose more acknowledgement that yeah it can be tit and can be a struggle but that's life isn't it? Rather than what's shown on social media which tends to be gym bunnies who profess to love protein shakes and exercise or overweight people who eat what they like and don't feel 'guilty' about it because every body is beautiful. You don't have to be an 'exercise type' or a 'I only eat fresh organic vegan type'. You can just be a normal person who trudges along and doesn't particularly like it but does it because it's good for you.
Jesus, I just noticed how long that is. Apologies if you read to the end!
do you honestly believe that Rosemary isn’t lazy? I mean, the woman lives on takeaways which is in itself laziness and also not good for health. She would be much more in control if she actually prepared her own food
She is so lazy. She also doesn’t walk anywhere and eats McDonald’s multiple times per week. Honestly I don’t think she’d be that weight living in Ireland
Yeah like of course there’s some truth in what SozBbz is saying about modern diets etc but that doesn’t remove personal accountability
I'm sure more research is needed but I think basic step one for any of us is eat less move more. There probably are people with whatever issues that this doesn't work for, but I'd venture that practically all of us would lose weight from that basic premise.
Totally agree losing weight is not always the same for everyone but you also have to try. I’m sure that if rosemary was able to stick to that crazy caveman diet she did then she could absolutely TRY to stick to a healthier choice diet.
A girl called half of Carla on insta is a great follow, she was 323lbs - emotional eater - she did a fairly well known diet programme along with therapy. Again huge commitment but as someone said earlier it’s simple but not easy, no one enjoys it, we are all in maintenance forever!! I would love nothing more than to eat McDonalds and takeaway 5 nights a week!!!
A girl called half of Carla on insta is a great follow, she was 323lbs - emotional eater - she did a fairly well known diet programme along with therapy. Again huge commitment but as someone said earlier it’s simple but not easy, no one enjoys it, we are all in maintenance forever!! I would love nothing more than to eat McDonalds and takeaway 5 nights a week!!!
Should have said above that for 4 out of 5, not 1 out of 4, but with the thread descending in to chaos afterwards thankfully no one spotted my typo!
So really the problem people have is not that she wants to lose weight, it’s that she isn’t suffering enough while trying?? She has clearly said she has issues with food, constantly hungry, thinking about food. It’s affecting her day to day life and she has chosen to try and fix it. I think her stories were very honest and I’m looking forward to seeing how it goes for her. I hope the side effects aren’t too bad, and she gets the results she is hoping for. I certainly don’t think it’s going to be easy, she still has to overcome her mental connection with food and the comfort that it gives her. I definitely don’t think she needs to hear from a load of thin people on how they do it, that would send me and most fat people straight for a Big Mac
There is no point making excuses for Rosemary, she is someone who lives on takeaways and lives a sedentary lifestyle. She has the privilege of being able to afford takeaways (so therefore can afford to buy good quality food) and doesn’t have a full time job. There’s no quick fixes with pills or injections and it doesn’t address any issues with her eating habits. Unless she’s prepared to stay on the drugs for life those issues will have to be addressed at some point.
It’s a bit like using champix to quit smoking. While using the drug it does curb cravings but unless people quitting have worked on willpower and the psychological effects they’ll likely end up back on the cigarettes at some point
It’s a bit like using champix to quit smoking. While using the drug it does curb cravings but unless people quitting have worked on willpower and the psychological effects they’ll likely end up back on the cigarettes at some point
Absolutely not!! I don’t want anyone to “suffer” as you put it. Personally, and this is all very personal and weight loss is a very emotive issue - I feel that injecting a medicine into yourself in the name of weight loss is not addressing the actual issue. Ozempic should be used in combination with a medically supervised eating and exercise programme. I didn’t hear her mention that she has received any advice with regards to eating she just ate 2 eggs instead of 4.
Honestly if she said her Gp was going to be working along side her with a nutrition programme or her therapist was going to help her with her emotional connections to food then I wouldn’t be as sceptical but I think she’s going to find it very hard on her own and could lead to further problems
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I said in an earlier post if she wants to use ozempic, go for it. My post was in reply to a poster who said 90% of people put weight back on after dieting so dieting doesnt work. I was simply telling the truth, dieting continues after your 'diet' ends. There is no end point to 'dieting' where you can shove Big Macs back your throat with gay abandon. It doesn't work that way. It's hard for slim people to stay slim, just as it is hard for fat people to get slim. Maintaining your weight is a life long problem for most people, even if Rosemary loses weight she is going to have to continue dieting forever, it is never going to be easy, she is always going to have to deny herself. If the reality of that sends you off to McDonald's, off with you, I don't really care how other people choose to eat or what weight the choose to be.
I agree. It is such a job to me to stay the size I am, I would only LOVE to be on the big macs every night, I have to make a conscious decision to not eat things I really want and not get take out every five minutes.
I’ve lost over 5 stone since hitting my top weight after having a baby and I’m more or less slim now. Walking and calorie counting. I would absolutely love to take a magic pill to make keeping the weight off easier, I’d just be worried about the side effects and obvs. the cost of this stuff here. I do think these drugs will be very commonplace in the future though, it’s obvious there is massive demand so that will drive even more development and production of new ones.
It’s some of the comments on here that cause people to be ashamed they are taking it and hide it. No one a few years back would admit to Botox etc. Thank god there have been big advancements in the area of weightloss that actually work. I was on it for a few weeks but it didn’t agree with me and I was devastated because it worked. If done correctly the gp takes bloods etc every month to monitor the patient. I think good on Rosemary
Botox is now so commonplace that you have 20 somethings who don’t need it getting it done, same with fillers. It doesn’t seem like a good direction to go in to have the likes of ozempic go mainstream. It fixes nothing except weight. Eating healthily shouldn’t just be just about weight, it’s health in general
Obesity is now being treated medically as a disease and there is now what seems to be a somewhat successful medication to treat it. It’s obvious there is a shift happening away from “move more and eat less” alone, I’d imagine a combined approach of medication and improving lifestyle and eating habits is probably the most likely approach for longer term success. The drugs will make it easier it appears. I’m not saying I think either approach is right or better but I think these drugs will be the standard treatment of obesity in the future, same as any other drug that is prescribed to treat any other disease.
Botox is largely used for cosmetic reasons but obesity causes so many other health complications that ozempic etc. can’t really be compared imo.
It wasn’t me that made the comparison in the first place. Ozempic is already being used as cosmetic, once it becomes mainstream you can be sure it will be used as a commonplace quick fix and not just for morbid obesity