Equally people tend to blame covid when there's a lot of other factors at play.There’s a certain minority who will blame everything and anything on the vaccines. So many factors that can lead to heart related medical problems - age, poor diet, smoking, family history etc. The pandemic has also delayed treatment and people having access to medical care which could exacerbate health conditions.
Finally, Covid-19 infection has been linked to an increase in heart related issues - even in those who have had a mild infection. But, you’ll rarely see people talk about this because they’re determined to blame the vaccine.
Long-term cardiovascular outcomes of COVID-19 - Nature Medicine
Individuals with COVID-19 are at increased long-term risk for a wide range of cardiovascular disorders, even for individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection.www.nature.com
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@monga more is coming out about sports men with heart conditions but that is a, because there is a massive disparity in screening between leagues, countries etc. I’ve just been reading a sports book that alludes to that. And b, things are more widely reported because we can see it. Twenty years ago, no one heard of the local footballer dying on the pitch in a local game because it was well, local news. You couldn’t google it and find it like you can now. We need to stop saying x y and z is a phenomenons when it’s always happened, but we took it for what it was, a tragedy, not something for Joe who’s medical info comes from Greys Anatomy reruns to be looking into to find a cause. That’s what specialist researches are for.
This is really pissing me off tbh, I wish we could just accept people have health conditions, they might not be apparent at birth or just come out of the blue, but no one is infallible and the sooner we accept that the better, rather than forever looking for a blame. Or Googling something that’s sod all to do with you just to look for an issue….. check it out if you are curious, but when you start deliberately hunting for stats then yeah…..
I’m also guessing you’ve not had a jab, that’s cool, I know loads who haven’t, but if both sides- (the vaccine fanatics too, I’m an equal opps judger!) gave up googling about the other side those of us in the middle would be much happier.
This is really pissing me off tbh, I wish we could just accept people have health conditions, they might not be apparent at birth or just come out of the blue, but no one is infallible and the sooner we accept that the better, rather than forever looking for a blame. Or Googling something that’s sod all to do with you just to look for an issue….. check it out if you are curious, but when you start deliberately hunting for stats then yeah…..
I’m also guessing you’ve not had a jab, that’s cool, I know loads who haven’t, but if both sides- (the vaccine fanatics too, I’m an equal opps judger!) gave up googling about the other side those of us in the middle would be much happier.
That's exactly why I keep an open mind we don't know what these people died from we're not privy to their death cert .
But it just feels like looking for something, and death was and should still be a private matter. Trying to link things and stats etc just feels ghoulish if it’s nothing to do with you or a specialism which is what people appear to be doing.
Such as?
Obesity, underlying conditions, drugs, lifestyle etc there is more than covid believe it or not .
then i’m truly confused as to what you’re saying in this thread. you started by saying there was a link, but now it’s important to be open minded? am i misunderstanding you?
exactly we don’t know what these people died of. that’s why bringing up previous deaths and trying to assume a link between them is ghoulish.
Yes I’m aware of all of these factors. Just not sure if you’re saying people blame Covid-19 for the above or blame Covid-19 for the cause of death?
I’m saying why should we assume they had covid, the same as why should we assume they had the vaccine ,it could be anything caused their deaths but it seems people are only focusing on these two things .
Nobody should be assuming anything without facts. People have a different idea of what facts are and where they get their factual information from.
(Generally speaking, not aimed at you!)
I’m saying we can’t rule anything out why should we only focus on a certain thing, when did I say they were linked? I showed the possibility of a link to vaccines just as others have pointed out the covid link, what’s the difference.
To be fair, there’s only been a few of you saying that on here- that was the whole reason this thread got started!
There been plenty trying to discuss other elements to no avail and have been arguing that covid/a jab has only brought out conditions people already had. But both sides of the covid debate seem to think no one got ill before……. Likewise people have also been saying that it is a ghoulish to be trying to even assume why someone has died.
the one thing I willl say is though is that there is more to debate about with health conditions and people who have had covid, they can study the effects on the body of people who have been hospitalised etc. there’s not exactly a rounded health body looking at the jab as yet……it’s more twitter and google worm holes
I didn’t say Shane’s death was (possibly )linked to anything only his lifestyle ?
Not everyone has had covid so it’s just as irrelevant as anything else.imo
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No, but you have been trying to suggest the vaccine might behind deaths of young athletes. My statement was about the fact that this whole thread has turned into an analysis of covid/vaccine and seems to be forgetting that biology has a sneaky way of harming humans. And people have used it to push agendas either way.
as for not everyone had covid, fair enough, but again, I was making the point that we can assess the effects of it on the body better because we study it when people are hospitalised/clinics etc. so it’s not about us all having it but we can learn from long covid patients as to what effects it has and discuss this. So it is relevant compared to discussion possible jab effects that are only relayed on facebook
I have said many things could be behind the deaths questioning the vaccine is the same as questioning covid imo along with any other conditions, but funnily enough only certain questions gets you labelled a CT for some reason.
I wonder if all the stuff that myself and others who knew Shane will come out, he was a horrible man who was a pedalo and drugged girls so good riddance!
What’s really sad is Warne wanted to take a year off but his manager and ‘friend’ (who he was on the holiday with) said everyone will have forgotten about you by then. So he compromised and planned to take three months off instead.
He obviously felt he needed a break. His manager is on the payroll so didn’t necessarily have Shane’s best interests at heart - how heartbreaking. (And there’s no way he would have been forgotten about in just one year - it’s Shane Warne.)
So what other pressures was he under from his management and could it have contributed to his early death. We will probably never know. No matter how famous you become it’s so important to have at least a few people around who want the best for you with no vested interests.
He obviously felt he needed a break. His manager is on the payroll so didn’t necessarily have Shane’s best interests at heart - how heartbreaking. (And there’s no way he would have been forgotten about in just one year - it’s Shane Warne.)
So what other pressures was he under from his management and could it have contributed to his early death. We will probably never know. No matter how famous you become it’s so important to have at least a few people around who want the best for you with no vested interests.
Shane Warne did not die of a heart attack because someone else put pressure on him to take 3 months off. His lifestyle raised the risk of a heart attack and particularly his smoking.
Thought I would give a bit more detail on the appendicitis.
My Stepdad got his jab the next morning he woke up with a sharp pain in his abdomen. He made an appointment with his GP for later in the day.
When Stepdad saw the GP he said he could take some panadol and gave him a referral for the emergency.
We were on the way home and discussing whether to go to emergency or not. The pain was getting worse so went to emergency and then 7 hours later on a ward. Then waiting for his blood thinners to get out of his system. (Has protein S difficiency so has clotting.)
My Stepdad got his jab the next morning he woke up with a sharp pain in his abdomen. He made an appointment with his GP for later in the day.
When Stepdad saw the GP he said he could take some panadol and gave him a referral for the emergency.
We were on the way home and discussing whether to go to emergency or not. The pain was getting worse so went to emergency and then 7 hours later on a ward. Then waiting for his blood thinners to get out of his system. (Has protein S difficiency so has clotting.)
To clarify - it’s sad one of the greatest sportspeople in the world and someone worth ~£50 million didn’t feel he could take the year off he felt he needed and is now dead. Life is short. And didn’t have friends not on his payroll to go on holiday with
