Refusing the Covid 19 Vaccine #3 & general vaccine conversation

[MARGARETANDJENNY]

I was angry too. Not on is it.

I’m doing ok, how are you?

I’ve been doing some thinking. Does anyone know someone who’s had covid mildly? The reason I ask is back in late March my son went on a bike ride and for a few days after he had a cough and felt very short of breath. He kept saying it was just from his bike ride and maybe his asthma, he hadn’t had asthma issues since he was little. After it passed he admitted it worried him as he felt short of breath for a few days, and didn’t feel right. He didn’t have a true cough but more he felt he had stuff in his throat occasionally so he had to clear his throat and he felt short of breath. It wasn’t a proper cough. He assumed he went too far on his bike. We didn’t test him as he played it down as maybe too much exercise affected his chest.

A week later out of the blue I started with a very sore throat, my gland were up, I felt sickly, and I had a very thick gooey thick throat. No cold but it felt like the back of my throat and nose felt thick and I had to keep clearing it with a throat scratching/ clearing noise, not so much a cough if you get me. My throat felt rough like sand was at the back of my throat, my typical I’ve got a virus feeling I get. I always get a dusty throat feeling when I’m ill. I didn’t have a fever. So unlike me as I very rarely get a bad throat and I’ve been housebound for a few years due to my health. No one at home had a sore throat or cold so I was puzzled how I’d caught it. We rarely went out back then due to lockdown, my son had been to the doctors around that time but other than that my family only went out for dog walks or exercise. I was baffled how I could be ill as I don’t get out and my family hadn’t been ill to pass it onto me.

It’s only now I look back and wonder was it my son who was ill and did he pass something onto me despite him not having a sore throat he still had shortness of breath. He’s 19. I spoke to my son and he said he now wonders if he had covid mildly but he at the time was only going out for exercise due to lockdown, didn’t mix with anyone and the only place had had been was for a doctors appointment masked up and it was all very safe. It’s now making me wonder if that strange virus I had was what he had but with slightly different symptoms. I’ve since developed bumps on my toe nails near the nail bed on my big toes I’ve got a thick bump and I read about how nails change with covid, it’s made me wonder. I mean at 42 it’s unlikely I got away with a mild case of covid and maybe I picked up a random virus but it’s rare I start with anything unless my family have had it first. Maybe it wasn’t covid but it just had me wondering.

I know people who say they have had it mildly at our age, i think they had a cold to be honest. If you have had it though thats good because you are ok, and you will have natural antibodies. Obviously we cant know for sure. I have a cold at the moment , its hard to know because they put everything under the sun down to covid now dont they ? sorry i cant be more helpful. But i literally dont believe a word the government or media say, so im not the right person to answer you really. Im glad you are ok though xx

Yes thats what I have. It’s just on my 2 big toes and a couple of smaller toes. It’s like a hill that goes 1/3 way up the nail then dips back down and has created a white line across the nail. It made me wonder too after I goggled it. I don’t have it on my finger nails.

I just remember thinking that virus was a mystery as no one else was ill in the house but then remembered my son had that tight chest for a few days and he now admits he thinks he had a virus of some sort but didn’t want to worry me at the time. No one else got it in the house only me, not even my asthmatic husband. So maybe it wasn’t covid as surely he would have caught it if it was what I had.

It’s annoying we don’t know.

I have had strange things happen to my nails just from being run down , so i dont know really xx

How does everyone cope with the constant onslaught of negative and scaremongering news and disgusting comments that are right behind it?

My husband is getting swallowed up by it all and his mental health is getting worse each day. I’m getting more worried he’s going to hurt himself but I feel so lost and helpless with it all

We’re both worried about the possible side affects of the vaccine as much as we’re worried about catching covid itself

if anyone has any advice it’d be really appreciated

Just remember a lot of the scaremongering is to push everybody into the vaccine and the media lie all the time. The government has been using behavioral psychologists since day one. They want you to be scared. Dont let them bully you , you dont have to decide now. xx

 

[HaggisInMyBin]

Just seen this. 819 CoVid Engagement jobs. What a waste of money. Everyone knows how to get their jab if they want it. The continued coercion/bribery nonsense will not change many minds. I think it’s having the opposite impact in that some vaccinated friends have now said they won’t have any boosters as they think this is bizarre and unethical.

“Door to door knocking of peoples homes, asking residents if they had been vaccinated and if they havent then enter a scripted conversation with them to encourage them to get vaccinated and visit the local vaccination centre Marshalling Mobile vaccination sites”

 

[Gembo]

Just seen this. 819 CoVid Engagement jobs. What a waste of money. Everyone knows how to get their jab if they want it. The continued coercion/bribery nonsense will not change many minds. I think it’s having the opposite impact in that some vaccinated friends have now said they won’t have any boosters as they think this is bizarre and unethical.

“Door to door knocking of peoples homes, asking residents if they had been vaccinated and if they havent then enter a scripted conversation with them to encourage them to get vaccinated and visit the local vaccination centre Marshalling Mobile vaccination sites”

I’ll be interested to see the uptake for third jabs as I know a few people now saying they won’t take a third. I think the uptake will still be very high but not as high as for the first 2. What happens for people who did have a bad reaction to the first or second?

 

[meg82]

He isn’t alone, I feel exactly the same way. No advice I wish I had some but sometimes just knowing that you’re not alone can help a bit.

Thank you, this is all so hard and I’ve never had to deal with anything like this before and it’s really scary
I hope advice from other people on here can help you too

No news. Both stop watching and reading. My anxiety has been awful during covid and cutting out the news and focussing on my mental health is helping. Eating healthy, exercise, meditation, reading, any hobbies you enjoy…. Anything but the news and social media. It’s so damaging and they scare monger daily, it’s getting worse so I’ve had to stop watching. I didn’t watch the news for 7years before covid, trust me it betters your mental health.

I hope your husband is ok x

Thank you, I wish I could get him off of it, I think that would help a lot but it’s just nonstop, I feel like I could scream

I will speak to him about cutting out the news and whatever else and pray that it helps some

Just remember a lot of the scaremongering is to push everybody into the vaccine and the media lie all the time. The government has been using behavioral psychologists since day one. They want you to be scared. Dont let them bully you , you dont have to decide now. xx

Thank you, it’s really scary from both sides and people just seem to have forgotten about compassion for those stuck in the middle confused as hell

 

[jackolantern]

Just seen this. 819 CoVid Engagement jobs. What a waste of money. Everyone knows how to get their jab if they want it. The continued coercion/bribery nonsense will not change many minds. I think it’s having the opposite impact in that some vaccinated friends have now said they won’t have any boosters as they think this is bizarre and unethical.

“Door to door knocking of peoples homes, asking residents if they had been vaccinated and if they havent then enter a scripted conversation with them to encourage them to get vaccinated and visit the local vaccination centre Marshalling Mobile vaccination sites”

They will meet my hose if they think they can come to my door and bully me into a jab. Or my German Shepherd, I'll let them choose Don't think they'll be back in a hurry!

I’ll be interested to see the uptake for third jabs as I know a few people now saying they won’t take a third. I think the uptake will still be very high but not as high as for the first 2. What happens for people who did have a bad reaction to the first or second?

I think it will drop significantly. Most people I know also have said they won't take a third.

 

[HaggisInMyBin]

They will meet my hose if they think they can come to my door and bully me into a jab. Or my German Shepherd, I'll let them choose Don't think they'll be back in a hurry!



I think it will drop significantly. Most people I know also have said they won't take a third.

I’ll hear them out and see if they can provide a reasonable answer to any of the questions I put to them (which won’t be on their script) but I’m the kind of person that keeps spam callers on the phone as long as possible to reduce their time with others (53 minutes current record).

 

[Gembo]

I’m just so frustrated at the way those of us with legitimate concerns are being treated When you say that you would happily have it if they could guarantee you’ll be safe it’s always met with ‘nothing is 100% safe’ well exactly so why is it not ok for us to make the decision we have and that be ok? I get that it’s a pandemic but it looks like there’s emerging evidence coming from the cdc in America that actually being vaccinated doesn’t decrease the risk of transmission or lower the viral load you carry. Obviously there will be more to come on that so we’ll have to see.

I feel it will be very hard for them to justify jabbing kids. They’ve said all along that kids are very rarely severely ill from it and that usually get no more than a cold. To me jabbing the kids feels like using a new vaccine against a cold, who would do that? Even for the under 30’s age group, again they’ve said for most it’s usually a mild illness. If it does turn out that being vaccinated doesn’t reduce the risk of transmission then I don’t really see how they can keep justifying it. Because then it turns to ‘well your symptoms will be milder and you’ll be less likely to be hospitalised’ which is pretty much what it is anyway for under 30’s. I think if you are old or have an underlying condition then it makes sense, but for younger healthier people I’m just not convinced.

 

[no-no]

I wonder how we could increase jab uptake because our subjects are desensitised to the incessant fear porn…

Hmm, maybe remove the manufacturers’ immunity from liability?

Nooo, give them a kebab instead, that should do it

 

[jackolantern]

I wonder how we could increase jab uptake because our subjects are desensitised to the incessant fear porn…

Hmm, maybe remove the manufacturers’ immunity from liability?

Nooo, give them a kebab instead, that should do it

bleeping insulting isn't it. I'm 28 and I mean hey I love McDonalds, but if they really think a discounted big mac is going to change my mind when I've stayed so firm on how I feel despite all the animosity we've had these past few months... duck me they really must think the bare minimum of our intellect.

 

[monga]

Sky news OZ have been banned from YT for apparent misinformation around vaccines and efficacy

 

[ChineseAlan]

Thank you, this is all so hard and I’ve never had to deal with anything like this before and it’s really scary
I hope advice from other people on here can help you too



Thank you, I wish I could get him off of it, I think that would help a lot but it’s just nonstop, I feel like I could scream

I will speak to him about cutting out the news and whatever else and pray that it helps some



Thank you, it’s really scary from both sides and people just seem to have forgotten about compassion for those stuck in the middle confused as hell

I was the same. I couldn’t stop watching it. It’s an addiction that’s not good for our mental health. Once we break it we see how much calmer and less anxious we feel. I hope he can break away from it.

 

[Jc456]

For anyone that's finding the media fear hard this may be a good read

 

[*tongue-pop*]

Up until the vaccines came out I only knew of 2 people who had Covid - and I am near the city that was in the original extended lockdown.

Since the vaccines I have known of 13 cases and most of them had been double jabbed. 1 having ended up with bells palsy and 1 having a heart attack a week after (unconfirmed whether this was to do with the jab) ... Worth mentioning I have 4 family and 3 staff members who are double jabbed and all seem fine and well.

How does everyone cope with the constant onslaught of negative and scaremongering news and disgusting comments that are right behind it?

My husband is getting swallowed up by it all and his mental health is getting worse each day. I’m getting more worried he’s going to hurt himself but I feel so lost and helpless with it all

We’re both worried about the possible side affects of the vaccine as much as we’re worried about catching covid itself

if anyone has any advice it’d be really appreciated

I am not sure how but I stumbled across things coming from China on twitter from January 2020 and I was the first person I knew to be freaking out about what was happening over there.

My family dismissed everything for a start but I was getting worse and worse. All I would do was watch twitter for new tweets or find the international headlines about what was going on. I was freaked out and scared and quite frankly I was a mess. Even before lockdowns came in to play, I didn't want to go out .. I didn't want to take my little boy to play group .. I didn't want to mix with anyone as I knew it wouldn't be long till what had happened there was happening here.

Now I'm not saying it hasn't been awful for people BUT it was nothing how I'd seen things play out in China and j don't know if that was down to our propaganda OR Things were extremely bad there and they did some equally extreme things to try and not let it get out. (Just from what I saw online may I add - I do have a friend in Wuhan and she quelled a lot of fears by telling me she hadn't seen a lot of what I'd told her about what I'd seen online.

It got to breaking point for me being in a constant state of fear. My relationship nearly broke down. I spent two hours on the phone with my sister in law and my massage lady who both were very concerned and they told me to just switch it off. Switch it all off. Stay away from social media (or at least the things I was looking at) don't actively read the news or go looking for things. I know it's hard but honestly that's what I had to do. And it really really helped. I don't know what I'd have been like if I'd have carried on as I was.

 

[monga]

I saw this last night, it begs the question

 

[Cupcakemum]

I popped to Sainsburys yesterday and two women had set up some kind of table with leaflets on and were stopping people asking if they'd had the vaccine and spewing the "no one is safe until everyone has it" crap.
They were largely ignored and bypassed by everyone

Or my German Shepherd, I'll let them choose Don't think they'll be back in a hurry!

Hahahaha I can totally relate!!
I've watched people stop halfway up our path because mine is using the sofa as a trampoline while doing her best "I'm pretending to be vicious" impression

She's never going to be able to get through the double glazed windows, but people seem to think she can

 

[Ensay]

I think it will drop significantly. Most people I know also have said they won't take a third.

My experience is the opposite. Out of my family/friends who've had both jabs, all but one of them said they'd have a booster if offered it.

I suppose it makes sense. If you've had two and been OK, it seems logical that you wouldn't be afraid of a third. Plus lots of people are used to having annual flu vaccinations.

 

[Savannah_xx]

LOL

 

[monga]

Besides the fraud I see there’s a three month lifespan for the passports so definitely need to keep up with vaccinations if you want one,

 

[Leshow]

I really don't believe that people will have the option to refuse the 3rd and subsequent shots. I believe that these will then have the same status as the currently unjabbed ie no green tick so no entry allowed scary and I worry about the future for me and my kids although they are completely oblivious .

 

[Purrrrrrr]

I really don't believe that people will have the option to refuse the 3rd and subsequent shots. I believe that these will then have the same status as the currently unjabbed ie no green tick so no entry allowed scary and I worry about the future for me and my kids although they are completely oblivious .

Exactly how it will be. This is why everyone needs to stick together. don't let the fuckers divide us.