Refusing the Covid 19 Vaccine #3 & general vaccine conversation

[Notgonnalie]

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Since the last thread there have been reports of incentives being offered for those to take the vaccine in an attempt to increase uptake.

It has emerged that vegans have a legitimate right to decline the vaccine based on their protected beliefs

 

[User name taken]

Looks like I'm becoming vegan then.

 

[MARGARETANDJENNY]

Do what you have to, if it means lying then lie xx

 

[Notgonnalie]

If anyone is considering going vegan or even wants to try some plant based recipes this website has some delicious ideas! https://www.bosh.tv/

 

[Jc456]

If anyone is considering going vegan or even wants to try some plant based recipes this website has some delicious ideas! https://www.bosh.tv/

The happy pear have lots of recipes too

 

[no-no]

I seen a meme yesterday that said just wait until the boosters come in and the 3x jabbed people turn on the double jabbed accurate.

I think the jab is somewhat of a red herring and the passports are the main goal. There are clearly a lot of imbeciles who would willingly snitch on their neighbours for “social credit points”.

 

[MARGARETANDJENNY]

The same ones who were snitching on their neighbours for breaking the "rules" and banging pots and pans in the street.

 

[Savannah_xx]

Long post alert lol...This is a real convo someone had.


Just incase anyones confused!!

ME: UK gov, should I get vaccinated if I already had Covid?

UK gov: “Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had C0VID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from C0VID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does vaccine-induced immunity last?

Uk gov: “There is still a lot we are learning about C0VID-l9 vaccines and we are constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.”

Me: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the vaccine was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the vaccine immunity better than my natural immunity?

UK gov: …

Me: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

UK gov: Yes. Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than vaccine immunity?

Uk gov: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the vaccine, does that mean I won’t get sick?

Uk gov: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are vaccinated people.

ME: is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.K. catching Covid after getting the jab?

David Javid: Over 60%

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the vaccine, how is it helping me?

Uk gov: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

Uk gov: We don’t know “exactly, we think we've saved over 50,000 lives, but we haven't got any evidence of this.

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

Uk gov: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the vaccine, is there any reason I should get it?

Uk gov: Yes, for the collective and to be allowed to dance at a night club (for now)

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting vaccinated?

Uk gov: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a vaccinated person spread the virus to someone else?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: So if I get vaccinated, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get vaccinated was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the vaccine?

Uk gov: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unvaccinated, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the vaccine’s protection, putting all vaccinated people at risk.

ME: So the vaccine stops the virus from mutating?

Uk gov: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in vaccinated people?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: Sorry but this seems confusing. If the vaccine doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting vaccinated help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the vaccine?

Uk gov: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unvaccinated, you pose a threat to vaccinated people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

Uk gov: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the vaccine doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying vaccinated people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the vaccine just by running into an unvaccinated person! Which is it??

Uk gov: Your just obviously an anti-vaxxer!

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get vaccinated, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts. And I should get the vaccine to keep a vaccinated person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the vaccine, I can give it to the vaccinated person anyways. And, the other vaccinated person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?"

Logical thinking is now a fringe activity.

 

[monga]

I think the US / Israel is proof of rising breakthroughs

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

 

[monga]

 

[Notgonnalie]

I’ve just got talking to family in NI and my cousin has just had heart failure his hearts only functioning at 15% and the consultant has said they are confident it’s linked to his second covid jab.

Please can you all pray for my cousin. Whether you have or haven’t had the jab this isn’t with the intention of scare mongering this is just real life. My cousin was in full health before getting the vaccine and only got it to go on holiday. He’s now looking at needing a pacemaker if he makes it. The consultant said it’s rare this has happened to him so I hope I don’t scare anyone who has had it or made the decision to get it, I’m just sharing the side that’s rarely shown.

 

[Podular]

The sports minister was on the radio the other day about crowds being "allowed" back to football but only if double Vax.
First host said to him "I'm double vaccinated but what about people who for medical, religious or other reasons aren't, surely a test is the way forward for them. Also safer as it's been proven you could still have covid if double vaccinated."
Minister replied with a 3 minute speech of "the ONLY way forward is for EVERYONE to get vaccinated for themselves and others" and repeat.
Second host tried again by saying "I'm also double vaccinated but what about season ticket holders whose whole life is football but for whatever reason just DON'T WANT the vaccine, surely offering them the chance to show they are clear of the virus through a test is the only fair thing to do".
Cue another 3 minutes of " the only fair thing to do is for everyone to get vaccinated for themselves and others." And repeat.
No sensible answer or arguement even. Doesn't make any sense.
Horrible agenda

 

[monga]

I’ve just got talking to family in NI and my cousin has just had heart failure his hearts only functioning at 15% and the consultant has said they are confident it’s linked to his second covid jab.

Please can you all pray for my cousin. Whether you have or haven’t had the jab this isn’t with the intention of scare mongering this is just real life. My cousin was in full health before getting the vaccine and only got it to go on holiday. He’s now looking at needing a pacemaker if he makes it. The consultant said it’s rare this has happened to him so I hope I don’t scare anyone who has had it or made the decision to get it, I’m just sharing the side that’s rarely shown.

I hope he makes a full recovery My BIL ended up in hospital for a week after his second jab his heartrate was badly elevated they couldn’t bring it down he went to A&E thinking he had an ear infection as he had a funny sensation in his ears and a high temp only to be rushed through to resuss it was the blood gushing through his body he heard not an ear infection at all… ironically he’s had covid before and all he suffered was a scratchy throat for a couple of days.

 

[Notgonnalie]

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I hope he makes a full recovery My BIL ended up in hospital for a week after his second jab his heartrate was badly elevated they couldn’t bring it down he went to A&E thinking he had an ear infection as he had a funny sensation in his ears and a high temp only to be rushed through to resuss it was the blood gushing through his body he heard not an ear infection at all… ironically he’s had covid before and all he suffered was a scratchy throat for a couple of days.

Thank you I’ll keep you all posted. I hope your BIL is ok, it’s so shocking these things are happening and no one is being made aware! Thank for your BIL went to hospital when he did it’s so frightening

 

[monga]

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Thank you I’ll keep you all posted. I hope your BIL is ok, it’s so shocking these things are happening and no one is being made aware! Thank for your BIL went to hospital when he did it’s so frightening

He’s OK now he had to have consultant follow up they said they’ll monitor him until the end of the year …That’s another reason why I’m worried about my son getting it it brings these things closer to home when you have personal experience of such things.

 

[Notgonnalie]

He’s OK now he had to have consultant follow up they said they’ll monitor him until the end of the year …That’s another reason why I’m worried about my son getting it it brings these things closer to home when you have personal experience of such things.

Totally agree I don’t think anyone truly understands the impact of it until it happens so close to home! They think oh it’s only a small oh it only happens to a few people! That’s why these vaccinations must always be a personal choice and not be put under intense pressure and blackmailed that they can’t do x unless they’ve done y. It’s awful. He’s so young and I just can’t believe his health has taken such a dramatic turn all from a vaccine he didn’t want to get - but got so he could go on holiday. It’s terrifying

 

[monga]

This was him in A&E it was May it happened

The sports minister was on the radio the other day about crowds being "allowed" back to football but only if double Vax.
First host said to him "I'm double vaccinated but what about people who for medical, religious or other reasons aren't, surely a test is the way forward for them. Also safer as it's been proven you could still have covid if double vaccinated."
Minister replied with a 3 minute speech of "the ONLY way forward is for EVERYONE to get vaccinated for themselves and others" and repeat.
Second host tried again by saying "I'm also double vaccinated but what about season ticket holders whose whole life is football but for whatever reason just DON'T WANT the vaccine, surely offering them the chance to show they are clear of the virus through a test is the only fair thing to do".
Cue another 3 minutes of " the only fair thing to do is for everyone to get vaccinated for themselves and others." And repeat.
No sensible answer or arguement even. Doesn't make any sense.
Horrible agenda

Especially now when there's hard evidence vaccinated pass it on as much as invaxxed it makes no sense .

 

[ChineseAlan]

Long post alert lol...This is a real convo someone had.


Just incase anyones confused!!

ME: UK gov, should I get vaccinated if I already had Covid?

UK gov: “Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had C0VID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from C0VID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does vaccine-induced immunity last?

Uk gov: “There is still a lot we are learning about C0VID-l9 vaccines and we are constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.”

Me: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the vaccine was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the vaccine immunity better than my natural immunity?

UK gov: …

Me: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

UK gov: Yes. Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than vaccine immunity?

Uk gov: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the vaccine, does that mean I won’t get sick?

Uk gov: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are vaccinated people.

ME: is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.K. catching Covid after getting the jab?

David Javid: Over 60%

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the vaccine, how is it helping me?

Uk gov: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

Uk gov: We don’t know “exactly, we think we've saved over 50,000 lives, but we haven't got any evidence of this.

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

Uk gov: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the vaccine, is there any reason I should get it?

Uk gov: Yes, for the collective and to be allowed to dance at a night club (for now)

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting vaccinated?

Uk gov: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a vaccinated person spread the virus to someone else?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: So if I get vaccinated, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get vaccinated was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the vaccine?

Uk gov: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unvaccinated, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the vaccine’s protection, putting all vaccinated people at risk.

ME: So the vaccine stops the virus from mutating?

Uk gov: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in vaccinated people?

Uk gov: Yes.

ME: Sorry but this seems confusing. If the vaccine doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting vaccinated help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the vaccine?

Uk gov: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unvaccinated, you pose a threat to vaccinated people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

Uk gov: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the vaccine doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying vaccinated people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the vaccine just by running into an unvaccinated person! Which is it??

Uk gov: Your just obviously an anti-vaxxer!

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get vaccinated, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts. And I should get the vaccine to keep a vaccinated person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the vaccine, I can give it to the vaccinated person anyways. And, the other vaccinated person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?"

Logical thinking is now a fringe activity.

Brilliant post. It sounded like the questions I have in my head

Another Media headline today saying we could see a deadlier strain in the near future killing 1 in 3 people. Is this yet again a way to frighten people to get vaccinated I wonder?

 

[MARGARETANDJENNY]

Brilliant post. It sounded like the questions I have in my head

Another Media headline today saying we could see a deadlier strain in the near future killing 1 in 3 people. Is this yet again a way to frighten people to get vaccinated I wonder?

yes ignore it, load of shite. Want us to cull our cats. No chance, silly bastards. sorry im angry with that one. Hope you ok xx

 

[ChineseAlan]

yes ignore it, load of shite. Want us to cull our cats. No chance, silly bastards. sorry im angry with that one. Hope you ok xx

I was angry too. Not on is it.

I’m doing ok, how are you?

I’ve been doing some thinking. Does anyone know someone who’s had covid mildly? The reason I ask is back in late March my son went on a bike ride and for a few days after he had a cough and felt very short of breath. He kept saying it was just from his bike ride and maybe his asthma, he hadn’t had asthma issues since he was little. After it passed he admitted it worried him as he felt short of breath for a few days, and didn’t feel right. He didn’t have a true cough but more he felt he had stuff in his throat occasionally so he had to clear his throat and he felt short of breath. It wasn’t a proper cough. He assumed he went too far on his bike. We didn’t test him as he played it down as maybe too much exercise affected his chest.

A week later out of the blue I started with a very sore throat, my gland were up, I felt sickly, and I had a very thick gooey thick throat. No cold but it felt like the back of my throat and nose felt thick and I had to keep clearing it with a throat scratching/ clearing noise, not so much a cough if you get me. My throat felt rough like sand was at the back of my throat, my typical I’ve got a virus feeling I get. I always get a dusty throat feeling when I’m ill. I didn’t have a fever. So unlike me as I very rarely get a bad throat and I’ve been housebound for a few years due to my health. No one at home had a sore throat or cold so I was puzzled how I’d caught it. We rarely went out back then due to lockdown, my son had been to the doctors around that time but other than that my family only went out for dog walks or exercise. I was baffled how I could be ill as I don’t get out and my family hadn’t been ill to pass it onto me.

It’s only now I look back and wonder was it my son who was ill and did he pass something onto me despite him not having a sore throat he still had shortness of breath. He’s 19. I spoke to my son and he said he now wonders if he had covid mildly but he at the time was only going out for exercise due to lockdown, didn’t mix with anyone and the only place had had been was for a doctors appointment masked up and it was all very safe. It’s now making me wonder if that strange virus I had was what he had but with slightly different symptoms. I’ve since developed bumps on my toe nails near the nail bed on my big toes I’ve got a thick bump and I read about how nails change with covid, it’s made me wonder. I mean at 42 it’s unlikely I got away with a mild case of covid and maybe I picked up a random virus but it’s rare I start with anything unless my family have had it first. Maybe it wasn’t covid but it just had me wondering.