Real Life Crime and Murder #7

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I remember at the time of Stone's conviction a friend of mine saying that the evidence (or lack of) just didn't stack up. That there was enough reasonable doubt to not convict.
I was pretty young when he was found guilty and glad when he had his conviction quashed but on the was found guilty again! It always seemed to me that they were determined to get a conviction for that case no matter what. It was headline news in the uk and they needed someone in jail for it
 
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Stone is a bad egg himself to be honest, prison is the right place for him, although obviously not for a crime he hasn't committed (though I think he is guilty).
 
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I'll wait. LB has allegedly 'confessed' before. What has he said that only the murderer would know? Then there's the alibi and coming back from holiday to clean the car...really?
 
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This piece explains a lot.


And here's what I wrote on another forum on the day of his conviction:

"Levi Bellfield was already serving a whole life tariff in respect of his previous convictions so this trial was, in part I assume, in order to bring some kind of closure for the family. I therefore feel that Bob Dowler's statement that the trial has been 'too high a price to pay' quite extraordinary in the circumstances and feel certain he wouldn't be saying that if all his dirty little secrets were not now in the public demain. As for her sister saying that the day her parents were questioned in court was worse than finding out her sister had been murdered.....well, words fail me.

Milly had been unhappy at home, partly because of the things she found out about her father, as is apparent in some of the things she wrote. He was treated by the police as a suspect.

The case against Levi Bellfield was totally circumstantial.I feel it is ridiculous not to expect the defence to bring this into evidence. They are paid to put other people in the frame, muddy the waters, create doubt. They did their job.

And, having followed the trial, I don't feel that Milly's name was sullied in any way.

Unfortunately, each family statement today seemed to focus on their own suffering caused by the trial.....rather than as a result of the loss of Milly.

I've always thought they have been very dignified throughout the past nine years but I thought they came across badly today."
If you have read My Sister Milly, you will know the excruciating torment that poor family went through at the hands of everyone and the therapy they have had to go through. It is absolutely harrowing.
 
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If you have read My Sister Milly, you will know the excruciating torment that poor family went through at the hands of everyone and the therapy they have had to go through. It is absolutely harrowing.
I agree. I read her sisters book a few years ago and it was gut wrenching what they were put through, from the day Milly went missing. Bellfield had all the control and they were treated like criminals. It’s sick. Those poor people— I hope they’ve found some peace. Seeing his face on the news again must be unbearable for them.
 
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I know that in the USA, and I'm pretty sure it's the same here, you cannot just take a confession on face value due to the amount of false confessions, confessions given under duress etc - you have to actively work to find evidence that supports the confession.

There would be little point in trying Bellfield again, given that he's already serving a whole life order. But, if it is true, Stone's conviction needs to be quashed and he needs to be compensated. I doubt the Russell family would want the publicity of yet another trial either - they seem to be pretty private. In fact, he was already serving a whole life order when he was tried for Milly Dowler's murder and there's no doubt in my mind that trial was undertaken largely in part for the family. However, it opened a huge can of worms for them and their terrible attitude immediately afterwards certainly didn't make them look good in my opinion. The fact her sister said seeing her parents cross examined in court was worse than finding out her sister had been murdered still blows my mind.

I'm actually quite shocked. I've said before on here that Bellfield is a piece of work but the Russell case just doesn't really fit his known MO at all, apart from the weapon of choice. However, Michael Stone's conviction has never sat right with me, especially after watching The Chillenden Murders. It was seemingly very easy back in the day to pin anything on the local "nutter".

Will be interesting to see what happens next.....
Does anyone know how confessions work especially if someone else has already been convicted? I watched In the Name of the Father for the first time last night (absolutely bloody amazing film for anyone interested) and the Guildford Four were convicted on false evidence and signed confessions taken under duress and violence at the hands of the police who were under pressure to find the culprits. Even after the real bomber confessed they weren’t released. Obviously that was years ago but what happens now? If Stone turns out to be innocent that will be a major miscarriage of justice and traumatic for the family at the centre of it all.
 
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Has anyone seen this? I know a few people on here thought it might have been him as well. I haven’t read the ‘confession’ as it’s in The Sun so I refuse to, but there is a link on the Daily Mail story if anyone wants to. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...NFESSES-hammer-murders-Lin-Megan-Russell.html
He’ll get a kick out of this being reported even if it’s wrong. I think it would be best to have just said that new evidence has come to light instead of reporting all this. Also must be hard on Josie and her Dad having this brought up again by Levi Bellfield.

their terrible attitude immediately afterwards certainly didn't make them look good in my opinion.
What was their terrible attitude after? Was it just the comment the sister made (which sounded odd)
 
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I’m really interested in your perspective @Be More Pacific, I’ll have a read with it in mind.

From what I’ve read about Milly Dowler’s murder, Surrey police put in a generally woeful performance (wasn’t it the Met who actually solved it, while they were investigating the murders of Marsha McDonald and Amelie delagrange and the attack on Kate Sheedy?). I think that might have taken its toll on the family. Bob Dowler’s fetishes becoming public knowledge and Milly’s seemingly quite typical teen angst being used against them would have been tough too. And they went through all the hacking stuff.

I liked Gemma Dowler’s book, it wasn’t the usual “beautiful angel” stuff, I felt like she showed who Milly was. She sounded ace.
 
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I would hardly call wanking off to porn in the loft "fetishes". He was absolutely dragged in court and made to feel like the perpetrator. Absolutely sickening.
 
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Did anyone watch The louise Woodward thing on Tv last night? What do you all think was she innocent or guilty. I'm really undecided.
Sorry if this is reviving a very old post, just came across thread (really must look beyond the realms of Instagrammers)

Given the evidence from the biological mum, that particular day she had to speak to Louise about her late nights and lateness to work, she had been late that morning.
My theory stressed out mother, crying baby, she is the guilty one, wacked or shook the baby under her stress and then fled to work and everything else fell into place. Louise to me seems genuinely perplexed as to why he wouldn’t stop crying, it wasn't like him, he seemed out of sorts.

Louise was a funny girl, I couldnt quite warm to her but the mother I found even colder, rich white American she was always going to have the law on her side.
 
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A little more on the Jack Sepple / Canadian teenager case today


So desperately sad for Ashley and her family, flew over here and this total nut job has killed her just days later
 
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A little more on the Jack Sepple / Canadian teenager case today


So desperately sad for Ashley and her family, flew over here and this total nut job has killed her just days later
To be fair he looked like a creep. What a sad ending, obviously such a trusting, genuine girl.
 
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He looks so odd to me. Dead eyes. What did she see in him 😢 She looks so happy in all of her photos. I wonder when the domestic abuse began.
 
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He looks so odd to me. Dead eyes. What did she see in him 😢 She looks so happy in all of her photos. I wonder when the domestic abuse began.
I think many of us would see the untrustworthiness of this guy straight off the bat, but a young, naive, and in love lassie might not. Just absolutely horrific consequences for wanting to have trust and love in someone that doesn't deserve it.
 
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He killed her within 3 months😯 ... That picture of him on his own he looks a complete creep! I suspect it's not a one off attack and he increasingly wasn't nice too her.🥺
 
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I would hardly call wanking off to porn in the loft "fetishes". He was absolutely dragged in court and made to feel like the perpetrator. Absolutely sickening.
He had fetish porn in a chest of drawers and equipment in the loft - a hood and ball I think. Milky found the porn and was said to be distressed by it.
 
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He killed her within 3 months😯 ... That picture of him on his own he looks a complete creep! I suspect it's not a one off attack and he increasingly wasn't nice too her.🥺
i sadly think that’s true - someone here mentioned earlier that she’d been trying to book an earlier flight home, so she obviously wanted to get away for some reason. he really does look a creep, i feel so awful for her being so far away from home with someone who wasn’t who she expected him to be :(
 
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I binged Murder in the Valleys last night. I didn’t know much about the case. Would be interested to hear what people think. Fwiw I don’t believe David Morris should have been convicted.
 
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i sadly think that’s true - someone here mentioned earlier that she’d been trying to book an earlier flight home, so she obviously wanted to get away for some reason. he really does look a creep, i feel so awful for her being so far away from home with someone who wasn’t who she expected him to be :(
Oh no really, how awful, she probably told him she was leaving, god she must have felt so alone in another country.
 
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