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Catsontoast

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I finally managed to finish watching the Billie Jo documentary and then did some reading (including Sion Jenkins' own Web page protesting his innocence) and I believe he did it after flying into a rage.

Though I agree that the timeline does seem a little implausible, his behaviour; his admission of using physical punishments to reprimand his daughters; his wife's allegations of violence; his language (I agree with the person who said his words are reminiscent of someone well versed in methods of exerting coercive control)....all lead me to believe in his guilt.

The 999 call when he insisted she'd fallen-he claims he didn't want to believe the horrific reality but it sounded like he was trying to play down the severity of her injuries.

Sitting in his car while the ambulance was trying to find a place to park. I accept that people can and do act strangely at times of great trauma but come on, you've come home to find your daughter with her head stoved in and you're worrying about putting the roof up on your car in case it rains? Sitting inside the car when you don't even need to to put the roof up and all while the paramedics are attending?

His admission of using items to inflict punishment - a slipper, a ruler... Why not a tent peg if it were to hand and you were in a temper?

His friend remembering him being violent to Billie, his wife immediately saying she'd talk if he was charged, his denial of his wife's allegations on the grounds of her being a left-wing social worker ("a woman like that couldn't possibly allow herself to be a victim of domestic violence." Yeah, right, because that's how it works...)

A real nasty piece of work IMO.
 
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HannahC

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Sabina Nessa's murderer has been given a life sentence with a minimum term of 36 years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61021379 He refused to turn up to court, I don't know why criminals have the right to refuse to attend. They should be forced to face their victims families and listen to the pain they have caused.

The details of what he did are just terrifying, Sabina's poor family having to live with that
 
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Fauxphiehinchcliffe

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The video I’ve seen, shots were fired? The article I’ve read mentions the boy being brought out safely but no mention of the dad. I presume he’s dead or seriously injured? That poor boy having to witness all that on top of the last 5 days.
I’m assuming and speculating of course and could be wrong but that’s my perception
this article states dad has been detained and is being assessed by mental health professionals, so he’s made it out safely.


I am a social worker and approved mental health professional. Services are just desperately stretched at the moment. The whole system is maxed out. We have so many people waiting for mental health act assessments but no psychiatric beds, and no imminent movement anywhere. It’s just so upsetting.

It wouldn’t be acceptable to leave someone suffering in the community for days and weeks if they were having a heart attack - why are mental health emergencies viewed so differently? So sad.

I’m pleased they were able to get in and hope dad gets whatever support he needs, and the poor child isn’t too traumatised but thewhole experience.
 
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Kofi Annan

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I would hardly call wanking off to porn in the loft "fetishes". He was absolutely dragged in court and made to feel like the perpetrator. Absolutely sickening.
 
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bubbadabut

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I read this yesterday. The treatment this poor girl and her family have suffered is appalling. No wonder so few women come forward with rape allegations when the police take this attitude. Just 12 years old :(

 
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GiftedNotFree

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I think if I found that sort of stuff belonging to my Dad at 13 I would have been quite distressed by it too.

Not up to date with Billie Jo Jenkins - why do people think it was Sion? Wasn’t he found not guilty?
But Milly didn’t find all that. She found one magazine at the bottom of a drawer - she didn’t find sex toys, whips, chains or anything else. I’m not saying she wouldn’t have found the magazine alone ‘distressing’ but it doesn’t mean her parents (or dad) was a freak that deserved to be vilified by the press. The police found pornographic videos / bondage items in their loft after searching their house.
 
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whoareyouu

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to add, the mother is now crowdfunding for funeral costs.

I’ve lost a child, you don’t pay penny for anything, under 18 funerals are covered and any extras are usually covered by the funeral home themselves or a charity which they claim from. I refuse to ever donate since I found this out.
Yup. We lost my brother when he was 14 so I remember it quite well. Everyone gifts services, no one would charge for a child.
Sorry for your loss. x

it’s just odd to me that it even entered her mind to create a go fund me!
 
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bubbadabut

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And yet another one...
Dog attacks used to be a really rare occurrence, but there seems to be a couple of these a month nowadays. Horrific. Apart from poor ownership skills, I can't help but think all these videos showing dogs cuddling up to little ones haven't helped much either. They're not cute, it's really irresponsible.

I don't have a dog, but we had them when I was young, and even then I was taught to respect their boundaries. Now you see them getting mollycoddled and treated as little humans. A lot of people seem to forget that that at the end of the day, they are animals who are completely unpredictable, no matter how good their past behaviour is.
 
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Gym&Tonic

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There is a headteacher of a primary school near me. Very well respected if ‘slightly eccentric’ man, been in the job for about twenty years now wifh several outstanding inspections etc. People lie about their addresses to get their kids into the school because it’s that good. He is also the safe guarding lead there. Here is the thing though, he was my teacher at a different school thirty odd years ago and he was completely and utterly obsessed with one of my friends. He was music lead at the school and she played an instrument, so he singled her out for praise and special treatment pretty much constantly. He would stand in front of the class and tell us all how wonderful she was. She was allowed to sing in the school choir in Year 3 when it was only open to Y 5 and 6 for everyone else. We all used to joke that he fancied her and she was his girlfriend. We were fucking eight!

It was noticed by everyone, even the other teachers noticed. One of them even commented on it and questioned why he was singling her out and he shut her down by saying it was because she was musically talented and that was that. Now I’m not saying he ever did anything, and I don’t believe he did actually cross the line. I think he possibly saw something of himself in her if that makes sense and his awkwardness meant it came over as him having a crush on her. But he was extremely inappropriate and it certainly wouldn’t happen now.

Anyway the point I’m making is safeguarding lead means fuck all really. DBS‘ aren’t full proof either. Anyone can have a clean DBS it just means you haven’t been caught and charged yet.
 
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Eureka

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Why do men do this???? He seemed like a normal bloke, had everything to live for and he does this? Are these guys able to hide it well or do they just snap or what? I’m so sad for that poor girl, she hadn’t even had a chance to live 🥺😞
 
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Leo100

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I'm sorry but I absolutely hate this saying.
Sabina was completely where she should have been. Walking down the road to meet her friend.
He's a fucking monster.
So true! I always remember that line from little boy blue about Rhys Jones who was shot in Liverpool and his Mum said the Same thing, he was a young boy coming home from football , which is where he was supposed to be
 
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AfroCircus

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This disgusting pair. Anyone remember this in the news? The stepfather responsible for killing him has already been released 😡 its bad enough he was only sentenced to 7yrs,and her, fully complicit, received 2 yrs but got out well before her time also. Cruel callous evil pair. What is wrong with our sentencing here?!!! It's unbelievable how you can murder a child or allow someone else to and receive a few years behind bars, then you've got a potential terrorist jailed for 55yrs for planning an attack which never happened. Yes if it had that'd be horrific, and I understand would involve more lives lost than this little boys life, however a killers a killer and it takes a pure breed of evil to kill their own offspring. Doesn't his life mean a thing? Why shouldn't these so called parents receive the same sentence? As surely killing minors is the lowest you can go. Not at all downplaying a terrorist attack on a big scale I know they are truly horrific crimes. But so too are child killers and the pitiful sentencing laws here in the UK are shameful
What the ever loving fuck is going on with parents allowing new partners to murder their children? I don't care how desperate or lonely you are - your child's wellbeing comes first. One look at that 'man' tells you all you need to know.
 
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quinzel

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Horrific.


But why did I know that a “looks like a pit bull” would be involved? And whilst recognising the parents grief, at some point you have to address the elephant in the room at ask WTF they were thinking bringing a dog like that into an environment with a young child.
Absolutely heartbroken again to hear of another innocent child killed because their parents were too stupid NOT to keep a dangerous animal in the same house 😡 unfortunately I don’t think this will be the last one either. Poor little angel. What goes through these parents’ minds getting a dog like that? I’ll never understand it.
 
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He doesnt refer to 'all those opportunities' though, just that one, which apparently even in 2022 is the most important in a girl's life. He's not the only one either they all do it.
I don’t think at the time of a father expressing his grief at all they as a family have lost, it’s the time to be criticising the lack of progressiveness. These are the tangible losses he expected and now feels because she is still alive but will never go on to lead a normal life. For all we know she might have talked about wanting to get married and have kids all the time.
 
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Et tu Brute?

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Horrific.


But why did I know that a “looks like a pit bull” would be involved? And whilst recognising the parents grief, at some point you have to address the elephant in the room at ask WTF they were thinking bringing a dog like that into an environment with a young child.
Her family said she would be "sadly missed but never forgotten" doesn’t really cut it does it? I have a 19 month old and this tragedy has been in my thoughts all day. As a result of my employment, I barely trust people around my child, let alone animals. I’m not looking to get into the trustworthy pet debate. A human child deserves to be protected. Poor, innocent baby 💔
 
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Treesy19

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Re: baby Eleanor. Social workers do always get the flack, but from what I’ve heard from a few I loosely know - and several who posted on the Star Hobson thread - it isn’t so straightforward. Their recommendations for removal can be refused. They can be blocked by management. They’re ridiculously overworked and under resourced. So overworked that they are forced out. There are not enough of them. Hopefully any will see this and explain it better. But they simply will not be able to stop all deaths. The parents and step parents become experts at hiding stuff.
 
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