Real Life Crime and Murder #21

[Multi-21]

Wow, I'm surprised she was still driving after that if she had a seizure. I thought your license was taken away in that situation

Apparently it was her first one and she wasn’t diagnosed as epileptic it was just unfortunate it happened while she was driving

 

[CrimsonCountess]

A 7 month old baby has been killed by their family dog. Dog was apparently not a dangerous breed and has since been put down

Seven-month-old baby girl dies after being mauled to death by dog

A seven-month-old baby girl has sadly died after being mauled to death by the family dog at her Coventry home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

I always feel sad for the family of Ian Coates, who has been virtually forgotten because he wasn’t a young person with his whole life ahead of him. Even in the initial coverage of the murders he felt like an afterthought.

His family are also presumably less inclined to spout racist rhetoric for the DM.

Grace’s family haven’t had anywhere near as much coverage either, just Barnaby’s.

 

[BearOnChair]

What the fuck have I just read?!

Girl 'strangled to death while being raped on sinking migrant boat'

Survivors claimed the man carried out the unspeakable attack after seeing his wife and daughter drown, Italian media reports, 'venting' his fury on the helpless girl in front of her mother.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This could almost be a propaganda story to dehumanise immigrants.

 

[SaLou]

I think that paramedic case is pretty obviously a murder/suicide

 

[lilyannrose]

Schoolboy guilty of attacking two students and a teacher with a hammer

A public schoolboy who attacked two sleeping students and a teacher with hammers has been found guilty of attempted murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Glad he has been found guilty. His excuses were total nonsense and he came across as very coniving trying to tie them all together.

I hope those he attacked are recovering well.

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

I struggle with the Nottingham attacker because he seemed to know exactly what he needed to do during the attacks to cause maximum carnage and that makes me lean towards him deserving prison but people on here have made very strong arguments for his hospital placement instead.

Cannot begin to understand the victims families devastation and grief, I feel so much for them.

I feel like prison just wouldn’t achieve anything. Locking him up there would just likely mean his illness got worse and worse, and realistically there is far more chance he’d be released from prison while still in active psychosis than there is from the hospital. If he’s ever released from the hospital, it will be with him being stable and still with active MH monitoring in the community.

I get why the victims families are angry but if the roles were reversed they would want their loved one to be in hospital not prison, I’m absolutely sure. Making another man and potentially anyone jailed with him suffer more isn’t going to bring the victims back.

 

[maytoseptember]

I think it is fairly simple to blame Only Fans and the internet. Only Fans paints itself as an 'empowering, entrepreneurial' business model, but really it's gash for cash - women (mainly) flashing their tits, minge and arse, allowing all and sundry to access fairly high level stuff at the click of a finger. Because all the internet 'huns' are on there, it's all seen as aspirational, but it's not, it's sex work, simple as. I do agree there are more complex factors at work but the rise of 'easy' sex work is certainly a factor in all this.

Totally agree with this. It’s such a sad story to peddle to young women - that if you’re looking for a low effort way to earn big bucks, all you need to do is degrade yourself (flashing tits, minge and arse) or worse, take part in really risky/dangerous sexual behaviours. Who needs education and aspirations?!

sorry but the way they're riding is just like out of a porno, like it's choreographed and follows a script. Porn literally rots people's brains and this is a prime example. You watch so much of something it becomes second nature and even being filmed didn't bother her one bit. Even thinking of doing anything like that would be horrific for a regular woman who's not porn obsessed and hyper-sexualized

I don’t watch porn but even I could tell this was completely pornified sex, crude and animalistic.

I worry for my children, I really do.

 

[ElektraWintour]

I had to go back to work when my baby was 7 months old so we chose a childminder as it felt more homely and better than a nursery room. I remember when we got a call and had to collect her early one day to take her to the hospital, turned out she’d slipped and got pulled elbow. It was an accident and my childminder wasn’t to blame at all but I was still sick with worry. I can’t imagine what this poor child’s family have been and are going through.

Childminder jailed for 12 years for killing baby boy https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9007q7wq8xo

 

[BaxterBillions]

If anyone remembers the Plymouth / Keyham shooting, there's a documentary on BBC 3 tonight about it

Weird that event didn't seem to garner that much attention considering it's once in a blue moon that someone goes on a shooting spree in the UK and one of the victims was a three year-old.

 

[LouBug19]

"Officers who hit an escaped cow with a car "probably did the right thing at the time" according to one union chief and farmer."

Staines: Farmer says police 'probably did right thing' in cow stop

The force is facing questions over the incident in which a calf was apparently hit twice by a car.

www.bbc.co.uk

Really??

Now it has been said that the officers hit the cow 5 different times but only 2 were caught by someone on camera. They then wanted to call the armed police to shoot it, honestly they are acting like its some T-rex escaped and its going to eat everyone in sight, its a cow. Yes it might charge at people but it will spook and what they did was extreme. Don't know who this union guy is, just seems he wants to stick his two pence in, as I believe most farmers would not want that. Even Jeremy Clarkson has spoke out about it, I'm sure other farmers would too.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

I remember the previous thread about the police car ramming a cow in Berkshire in 2021. Posters found evidence that it is legal to kill livestock if its owner gives permission, which in thar case the farmer was on the scene and had given permission.

I suspect, rather than not contact random farmers for help, they had the farmer who owned it there, giving permission, otherwise they’d be breaking the law.

although of course that could be why the officer has now been suspended.

The farmer was not there.

I think it’s highly unlikely that any decent farmer would permit that treatment on their animal.

 

[Boston B]

I have a friend who did the reverse, they were packing the car up for a night away and the baby was only a few weeks old. They were so concentrated on remembering all the stuff they needed they only noticed when reversing off their drive the car seat wasn’t there. The baby was strapped in and perfectly happy still in the hallway. It was only about a minute they were left but my friend was horrified she could have driven off and left her behind.

When I was a teenager in the 70's, my mom and I would take one of my infant nieces in the carriage and walk to the local grocery store. Our dog plus 5 of the neighborhood dogs would accompany us. We would park my niece in the carriage in front of the store, and the 6 dogs would lie in a circle surrounding the baby. We did our shopping, came out and she was there still asleep, and all the pups were still there. There was no way anyone was going to walk off with that baby!

 

[Snowfairy08]

It's shocking and disgusting how the default position these days is to avoid taking any responsiblity whatsoever. It happens all the time when things go wrong now, especially serious things. People have become such self-serving cowards.
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I was taught my address and phone number when I was very little. I never needed to deploy the information, thankfully, but it's something all parents should do with their kids the moment they are old enough. And I agree with you about police officers, unfortunately.

I think it’s also sad that the go to comment is ‘thank god the man who found him was genuine and not a *insert here*’. We shouldn’t have to think or feel like this. All us as parents shouldn’t have to feel that way, and would like to hope any person who found a lost child would act in the ‘correct’ way

 

[Davena94]

I’ve said it before on here, but I’ve spent time inside ashworth as a student and it is not a place you’d want to spend your life. It is absolutely a prison in every sense bar name. People just assume punishment/justice has to mean time in a “normal” prison

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

Either that or the prisoners are all really fit.

I feel so sorry for that woman. My friend developed epilepsy in his late 40s with no previous symptoms at all. It's frightening and an accident. No, the families aren't going to get "justice" because it was an accident and nobody was to blame at all. If they can in any way learn to accept that, it might be somehow easier for them to bear than constantly desiring revenge and harbouring (understandable) bitterness.

I think they need to put themselves in her and her families position. If it was the other way round and one of them had had an unforeseen, unpreventable medical episode behind the wheel would they want them to be in jail or would they want people to show their loved one compassion? I’d bet they’d want the latter and that’s because it’s the right decision.

The same with Barnaby’s mum, if her child was the one who was severely mentally ill I bet she’d be screaming from the rooftops saying hospital was the best place for him and prison would be vastly unjust.

The lack of justice they feel in both cases is nothing to do with covering up or or family standing by people who’ve done horrific things knowingly, it just is and that’s that.

 

[Starttheline]

This is relevant based on our previous days discussion:

Boy, four, is left behind on nursery trip to wildlife park by staff

An urgent investigation has been launched after Carson Morhulec was forgotten by staff at Dunmore Nursery during a day out to the Scottish Deer Centre, in Cupar, Scotland, on Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Gosh this is just shocking! As a parent, my mind would go into overdrive about everything that could have happened.

We've taught our 4 year old his address and who to look for if he's ever lost (a woman with children, as police officer is now sadly not safe enough). Hopefully he'll never need it.

 

[crazycakelady]

Two 12 year old boys found guilty of murder - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz99py9rgz5o?xtor=AL-72-[partner]-[bbc.news.twitter]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=4A873D44-272B-11EF-962E-84B995B58587&at_campaign_type=owned&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter

This is awful 12 year olds should be playing football and Xbox not carrying out a horrific attack on a unprovoked victim I think they should be named

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Two 12 year old boys found guilty of murder - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz99py9rgz5o?xtor=AL-72-[partner]-[bbc.news.twitter]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=4A873D44-272B-11EF-962E-84B995B58587&at_campaign_type=owned&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter

What a dreadful, horrific crime - and totally motiveless.

That poor young man, and his poor parents - the picture of his mam and dad, still looking shocked and grief-stricken, tore my heart.

What sort of children are we raising in this country? Awful, awful thing to do.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

This is relevant based on our previous days discussion:

Boy, four, is left behind on nursery trip to wildlife park by staff

An urgent investigation has been launched after Carson Morhulec was forgotten by staff at Dunmore Nursery during a day out to the Scottish Deer Centre, in Cupar, Scotland, on Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is absolutely shocking! I can hardly believe that 3 adults aren't able to count up to 9! Each adult was presumably responsible for 3 kids - how the fuck did they not miss him? And he's red-headed - even in Scotland red hair stands out.

Thank heavens that the man who found him sobbing and alone was a decent man and not a pervert. Thank heavens that he didn't have an accident and seriously hurt himself, or get even further lost looking for his friends. Anything could have happened to this child.

From the article "The nursery declined to comment"

I bet they bloody did!