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Apparently two POC so won't get named like the white kids who killed James Bulger, so not to make them more of a target inside apparently.
None of them should have been named. 12 year olds are children, even the most horrific ones.
 
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wideopenspace

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I can’t believe the Mail have named and pictured the lady who was the driver in the Wimbledon crash. It has already been determined she wasn’t at fault so why should she be shamed in this way?
I think it's disgusting picturing her as I'm sure she will be suffering from what happened. Of course I feel for the families of the two little girls but this was an unfortunate tragic event. Medical episodes do unfortunately happen with no warning but thankfully they often aren't quite as tragic. There was absolutely no reason for her to have named let alone pictured.
 
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Yes, I'm afraid I saw it and couldn't help but think for goodness sake. It's too much now. I feel so much for them but they desperately need to step away from the limelight, they won't heal at all otherwise. And to be honest I'm starting to think nasty uncharitable thoughts like they are enjoying their victim status a bit too much, which makes me feel awful about myself but here we are.
If you're uncharitable, so am I. I get the feeling that they think they will change the law if they shout loud enough. Are they wealthy?

I feel for them, of course I do, but the same way I feel for all those who've lost loved ones in this dreadful way. They're not that only ones and yes the "come to this country" line was very, very telling. It does remind me of Denise Bulger (as she was) who has never ever been allowed to heal or come to terms with what happened, as every time there's a vaguely similar crime she's asked for a quote.

I often think about Ian too. Just going around doing his job, poor chap. Just as valued, just as loved, but he seems forgotten because the other two were so young.
 
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LouBug19

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Anyone else got a husband who would be happy you being in a 15 person orgy?
It amazes me how she was allowed to work with men when she clearly has some sort of sex addiction and has featured in shows where she's having sex with different people. Her own sister said don't mix it with work, it's like she's got a kick out of it, she knew that was being recorded 100% and I hope that she's jailed because it seems she wanted to be a prisoner officer to boost her only fans. Woman like her make me sick, you are openly sleeping with a convicted prisoner and not caring.
 
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AladdinSane

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Today is the 1st anniversary of the Nottingham attacks. Doesn't feel its been a year already. I noticed Barnabys mum did an interview stating she received a letter from his family but she can't read it. I've attached some comments I saw on the metro. It's awful for everyone, I'm sure his family feel guilty for what happened and not intervening and the victims families want justice. Unfortunately I don't think or believe he should be in prison but in a hospital.
The whole thing is just terrible for everyone involved. I do have some sympathy for the killers family because they are not directly responsible for their sons actions.

The victims families have every right to feel angry at the world and everyone in it right now too.
I can't begin to imagine what they're going through.
 
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lilyannrose

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The Mail's continued coverage of the families of the Nottingham victims is getting really uncomfortable for me, anyone else? It's like the poor relatives are being encouraged to remain trapped in the worst stage of their grief so the Mail can be enabled to push their agenda. It's pretty sick to see people being obviously exploited but too emotionally damaged themselves to realise. :(
 
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LouBug19

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Today is the 1st anniversary of the Nottingham attacks. Doesn't feel its been a year already. I noticed Barnabys mum did an interview stating she received a letter from his family but she can't read it. I've attached some comments I saw on the metro. It's awful for everyone, I'm sure his family feel guilty for what happened and not intervening and the victims families want justice. Unfortunately I don't think or believe he should be in prison but in a hospital.
 

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TheMiceInTheShed

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I've twice encountered large animals wandering on the public road (live in a semi-rural area).

I'm not confident with them, but first time Mr Mice was with me and when we encountered a horse on the main road, he got hold of its mane and guided it towards the nearest farm - I went on ahead with the dogs, which I tied to a gate before going up to the farmhouse to let the farmer know. It was about 10.00 at night - it wasn't his horse but he put it in the field with his own and said he'd sort it in the morning. Nobody hurt, no drama.

The second time it was me and the dogs and we encountered a bullock starting towards the main road. This was mid--morning and there is a lot of traffic, so that was potentially more serious. There's nothing to grab on a bullock and I was alone so I ran like the wind towards the farm, again tied my dogs to a gate and went through the farmhouse to let them know where it was. Someone came and corralled it back into the field. Again, nobody hurt, no drama.

I have to admit I was more worried about the bullock than the horse because cattle can be very funny around dogs, but it was just curious.

Long-winded, but the point is that almost every one of these animals is just lost and wondering where to go - if they are kept calm, and people are stopped from going near them and panicking them, they won't be a problem. There is certainly no need for the type of brutality the police seem to show so often.

If an animal IS a danger then just keep people away - block off the road, call a vet (or even a police marksman if it is such a problem) - but there is no need to be such a cruel, stupid twat about it. Do any of these officers ever stop to think?
 
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thegirlscout

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I’d be shouting from the bloody roof tops if I knew her and she has had her life taken.
If it is murder suicide I’m worried it’ll turn into another case where the friends and family of the guy manage to make excuses for his actions and everyone seems to forget about what he did to the woman involved.
It happened in Ireland - Clodagh Hawe was murder by her husband (who went on to kill their young children) and people on social media and in the media were praising him, making excuses, being sympathetic etc. Some reports didn’t even mention Clodagh’s name! Women’s Aid Ireland got it right when they said ‘That is the ultimate level of control: to decide who lives or dies. It is the most extreme form of domestic abuse.’ Similar thing happened in Scotland - Marelle Sturrock. Though not as prevalent as Clodagh I saw on social media so many people praising him, going on about how ‘something must have pushed him over the edge’. Marelle was pregnant and killed with a hammer. How viscous can you get?
Jill Foster and her daughter were murdered by their husband/dad. His family let Kirstie and Jill be buried next to each other. On the Facebook group for Kirstie they make excuses for the dad and blame everyone but him.

It’s sad that I know of 3 examples of this off the top of my head.
 
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thegirlscout

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The smirk the murderer gives makes me so angry. If I was the boy’s family I would want to scratch her eyes out with my own hands.
 
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lilyannrose

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I think the likes of the Daily Mail are shamelessly enabling Emma Webber, it would be so much better for her if she didn't have that going on. They'll be like a puppet pulling her strings, really awful.
 
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Boogs

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@Boogs that's the same with my mother. It blighted all our lives.
I feel nothing but sympathy for my poor Nan but the knock on effect to the rest of the family was massive and long term. I think I’m the only family member who is able to look at what happened as an awful accident and feel a sense of compassion for a man who had to then live knowing he’d hit and killed a kid.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Harry’s mother even said at the beginning she didn’t want Anna to go to prison because she was a mother herself. She just wanted her to take responsibility for the crime.
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I suppose if the family hadn’t moved here then the man wouldn’t have been able to murder 3 people and run over others - I guess in her mind it’s a way of making sense of it all. Her son was brutally and viciously murdered only a year ago, I think some people are expecting a lot from the families when their journey of grief has only really started.
I agree.

Grief makes you irrational in so many ways - it just tears the earth from under you and you don't know which way is up. I wouldn't criticise them for anything they said or thought at this heartbreaking time - and I do feel sorry for the killer's parents who are being blamed for something they didn't do and couldn't have prevented. It's a very sad situation.
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I'm glad you can do that - for your sake, as it's free ing. Hating is exhausting and poisonous. It doesn't help anyone. Having compassion for that driver frees you and makes your loss easier to bear. Thank you for being that person.
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I agree. It's shades of Denise Bulger (now Fergus) who has never, ever, ever been allowed to have any sort of peace or any sort of reconciliation with the murder of her little boy. I hope to God this doesn't happen with this family.
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QMLAN because I never actually finished that post! The book I recommended was The Devil's Children by Loretta Loach, a history of children who kill and how they've been treated. Another good one about the Bulger case is The Sleep of Reason by David Smith. Cries Unheard by Gita Sereny, about the Mary Bell case, is another very good one.

I don't mean to sound sanctimonious when I talk about this stuff. I'm sorry if I come across thus. I felt, very strongly, similarly to some of the posters on this thread at the time of and subsequent to the killing of poor little James. Hence I did a lot of reading as I like to understand the opposite perspective and where it comes from. I can honestly say that like I said in my other post, condemning a little less, and understanding a little more (unlike John Major, who generally I think gets it right, but I think got it wrong on that occasion) is not only best for society but can do something to alleviate the suffering of the victim's family. Because hatred and condemnation never grow old. They fester and can destroy.

I appreciate it's easier said than done; but I feel, with young children, we need to give it a shot for all our sakes.
Cries Unheard by Gita Sereny

I read this one many years ago - it is harrowing. Mary Bell's early life was HELL with her mother - absolute hell.

We none of us know what others go through or how it shapes them - and it is a cycle that is so heard to break.
 
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Here is an interesting case....



To fill in the background...
JF Gareiepy is biologist, and minor e-celeb, who dreams of creating an ethno-state in Canada.
To that end he married/got the legal guardianship of a girl/woman with a mental age of 10, in order to breed the master race.
Last year, he dropped her off near some woods - and she hasn't been seen since.

Oh and the police weren't informed (for I believe about a month) when she disappeared.
And he (in his words) sterilized the house - not you understand because he had done anything, but simply to cleanse the house of 'the female presence'.

The video is Andy Warski (JF's ex-co host on the Killstream) and PPP reviewing an interview JF gave to Lauren deLaguna concerning his wife's disappearance.
Keep in mind that Kino Casino is a drama channel.
Also keep in mind that if you are a woman you may not understand what JF is talking about because you are (in his words) a robot and a lower functioning being....
 
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100%.
His family, unless they literally gave him the knife and told him to go kill 3 people that night, are not directly responsible for his actions.

If he is as ill as it has been reported, I would argue he is not directly responsible. I imagine it is incredibly difficult to fool actual psychologists into pretending you are incredibly mentally ill.
It is a horrific situation for all involved but blaming his family for moving here will serve no one.

I really hope they can all start to heal as much as possible. My heart breaks for them all.
Mine too. I thought it was especially ironic when his mum said that the killers family haven’t lost their son… they have in a way, to the mental illness and they have to deal with both watching their son so tortured and the knowledge that he was failed to such an extent that he killed people as a result of his illness. That’s not easy for his parents to deal with anymore than losing their son is easy for the victim’s parents.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Wales Online are saying the dog was rescued from a drug dealers house 7 or 8 months ago. And also the police are quoted as saying a staffie or pitbull type dog.
Odd are it's been trained to attack - drug dealers use these dogs as weapons.
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Not having a go but why did you call the police about this and not like the RSPCA or something?
I can tell you from bitter experience that the RSPCA does sweet fanny adams about anything unless there is a film crew with them.
 
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I agree.

Grief makes you irrational in so many ways - it just tears the earth from under you and you don't know which way is up. I wouldn't criticise them for anything they said or thought at this heartbreaking time - and I do feel sorry for the killer's parents who are being blamed for something they didn't do and couldn't have prevented. It's a very sad situation.
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Cries Unheard by Gita Sereny

I read this one many years ago - it is harrowing. Mary Bell's early life was HELL with her mother - absolute hell.

We none of us know what others go through or how it shapes them - and it is a cycle that is so heard to break.
My friends Mam was in the same Primary class as Mary Bell. Said she was unremarkable and clearly abused.
 
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