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GlitterFluff

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It's bloody awful. Regardless of how you feel about your own dog they are an animal. I don't even allow my dog and cats to interact without supervision and without an escape for the cats just in case.
I adore my dog and am 99% certain he wouldn't do anything ever but all it takes is one trigger and he could flip completely.

People do not take dogs seriously. Thr amount of times a toddler has come up to stroke my dog whilst I've been out walking him and the parents just laugh and giggle like it is nothing.
It makes me so angry.
I’ve never not had dogs. My current ones are decently trained working breeds and are friendy, socialised and content. They’ve never shown an iota of aggression.

Would I leave any of them unattended with a child of any age? Absolutely not!!! A) they’re animals with animal instincts and b) children can’t always read the warning signs when a dog is upset.

I will happily tell children and parents not to touch my/any dogs without permission. Most of them don’t care though 😔
 
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CrimsonCountess

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I have no words for this 😔 a two month old baby has died after being left in the back of a car for a few hours. The article makes it sound like a different family member, not the adoptive dads, found her

 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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When I was a teenager in the 70's, my mom and I would take one of my infant nieces in the carriage and walk to the local grocery store. Our dog plus 5 of the neighborhood dogs would accompany us. We would park my niece in the carriage in front of the store, and the 6 dogs would lie in a circle surrounding the baby. We did our shopping, came out and she was there still asleep, and all the pups were still there. There was no way anyone was going to walk off with that baby! 😂
Not the same thing, but the circle of dogs reminded me.

Many, years ago my friend's father, who was a GP was asked to make a home visit to a traveller's camp (I told you it was many years ago).

Anyway, he got there and the entire camp seemed to be deserted. He wasn't even sure which 'van it was, but he followed the vague instructions he had been given, and knocked on the door of what he hoped was the right one, but thinking, if it's the wrong one, perhaps there'll be someone to tell me where to go.

He knocked and waited, knocked and waited, knocked and waited and finally thought "No-one here - I might as well leave," Turned round and found that he had been entirely, silently encircled by a pack of dogs. He reckoned there were at least twenty. Not one of them made a sound. They all just stood watching him.

He didn't know whether to walk through them to his car and go (they hadn't shown any aggression) or just wait. He decided that discretion was the better part of valour and just waited. It was about half an hour before anyone returned to the camp. During that time the dogs didn't move (and nor did he!). They just stood in silence and watched him.

At last a group of travellers returned. It was the right van but the sick person had decided they were well enough to go out with the rest of them. However one of the men told him - "You're lucky you stayed put. You'd taken one step off, or made a move and the lot of them would have had you."

He regarded this incident as his closest ever brush with death.
 
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Lalla

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It doesn't make it easier and I would be angry if someone I loved was murdered by someone who wasn't being treated properly. Thing is we have had such a shift from hospital treatment to community care and it's not working. Not saying we should lock everyone up but certain people who may harm themselves or others should be monitored better. I doubt anything would have been done if his family voiced concerns, let's be honest.

I do agree with you, I think it's hard to imagine someone experiencing psychosis and doing a horrible amount of damage. We don't know what that voice was telling him at the time and I would hope one day he has remorse for his actions. At least in hospital he has to take his medication and harm is limited.
I think unfortunately people do have to be locked up for the safety of others.

The man responsible for the Nottingham murders had all kinds of interventions, lots of involvement and engagement from the relevant services over a period of time and ultimately it did nothing to change the outcome. Once he stopped taking his medication (just as he had several times before) the public were put at risk. If you can't physically force people with severe issues, who are a danger to themselves and others, to take medication then what's the alternative to locking them away indefinitely?
 
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thegirlscout

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I always wonder how she can sleep at night. She was driving again very soon after the boy's death. I could never. In fact, I am so scared of the potential for hurting or killing someone I never took up driving in the first place, though I realise that is very extreme on my part. Still, she has only ever shown worry for avoiding jail and the UK than worry for what she did. I remember she tried offering money to make it all go away at one point.

Awful spoilt person.
Harry’s mother even said at the beginning she didn’t want Anna to go to prison because she was a mother herself. She just wanted her to take responsibility for the crime.
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The bit about them moving to the UK honestly makes her just sound massively racist. Grieving or not, that’s not in any way an acceptable thing to say.

They had every right to move here and his mental illness wasn’t caused by them moving here. Even if it had been a stone cold killing, which it wasn’t, it had fuck all to do with him moving here as a teenager.
I suppose if the family hadn’t moved here then the man wouldn’t have been able to murder 3 people and run over others - I guess in her mind it’s a way of making sense of it all. Her son was brutally and viciously murdered only a year ago, I think some people are expecting a lot from the families when their journey of grief has only really started.
 
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lilyannrose

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I'm finding the cow story so distressing I'm going to have to take a break. It's everywhere, in increasingly graphic detail, and while it's important to bring these bastards to account I don't need this in my head just now.

Does anyone else find true crime gets a bit much to handle sometimes?
 
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cesarea-tinajero

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I grew up super rural and we had cows end up in our back garden several times, which as a kid I thought was excellent. All my parents did was call a few local farmers to find out who they belonged to and they just collected them. Absolutely no need for violence, it's disgusting how they handled it.
 
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LouBug19

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They don’t need to take responsibility for it. They didn’t do it.

She’s angry at the wrong people - even blaming them for having moved to the UK.

Her anger would be far better focused on campaigning to improve MH services and getting them to take appeals for help from people’s families more seriously.
I watched the news earlier and they were speaking to his Dad and he kept referring to him as a monster and he would never forgive him or his family. I'm sure the family won't forgive themselves but I don't like the whole "they moved here" that's not fair. I know they are angry and they should be, but be angry at the government for lack of funding.
 
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LouBug19

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Why the hell are 12 year olds walking about 1. Late at night and 2. With serious weapons. It feels like there are so many random attacks involving younger people. The Snapchat messages afterwards were scary too, it's like they didn't care. Probably be out in their 30s and commit more crimes.
 
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I feel for the families and they are obviously suspicious that this woman does not actually have epilepsy and has paid lawyers to help her avoid criminal charges. They need someone to blame for their terrible loss but in reality it was a tragic accident. I know a bit about epilepsy as I have it myself, and have been disappointed when reading comments on newspaper articles about this incident that show many people know very little about it. She must be absolutely devastated about what’s happened and now she has been named and people are viewing her with suspicion.
My consultant told me it is not uncommon to be diagnosed as an adult after previously being asymptomatic, and that a first seizure can seemingly come out of nowhere. Anyone could have a seizure under the right (wrong?) circumstances, but if you have epilepsy the threshold is lower, and can be triggered by stress, illness, tiredness, alcohol, hormones etc. I was diagnosed solely on describing my symptoms and description from someone who witnessed me have a seizure. My scans (MRI and EEG) were normal so there was no “evidence” as such. [\SPOILER]
This is what is hard for people to understand but unless you have some sort of genetic condition where your brainwaves are constantly abnormal then an EEG is just a snapshot in time- if you aren’t having a seizure when it’s done then it won’t show anything. The requirement from DVLA is to have your seizures under control and be symptom free for a year then you can drive as normal. I personally wouldn’t risk it but others don’t have a lot of choice (commuting etc) and if they are well they are allowed to drive.
 
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MissTeddy

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The driver’s husband is a very senior banker, has been in the news himself. The family is obviously exceedingly wealthy and living a charmed life. But that’s all ruined now, she will never be free from the torment of what’s happened- and now the world knows too.

You get the feeling the daily mail desperately wanted her to be guilty and because they couldn’t have that outcome they’ve made her guilty by association and printed a picture for the world to see. which will not only have a lifelong impact for her, but also for her own children.
 
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thegirlscout

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And to be honest I'm starting to think nasty uncharitable thoughts like they are enjoying their victim status a bit too much, which makes me feel awful about myself but here we are.
I feel that they have only properly been able to start grieving very recently as the legal aspects with the trial and the appeals have finished. All the families have a lot to work through mentally and maybe physically (as trauma can affect your body as well) plus they are of the belief that justice hasn’t been served and that the perpetrator got away with murder (from the latest thing I read about the appeals). It’s a very difficult thing to be going through and my heart goes out to them. I think however the Daily Mail are exploiting this for their own gains. Some of the things they have said (for instance I think the mum mentioned that if the murdered hadn’t been in this country then her son would be alive, can’t remember the exact quote) shouldn’t be tabloid fodder and something that should be explored in a safe space such as therapy. When my Dad died I vocally said some horrible things about people in his life because I was so hurt and I felt that he didn’t receive the care he needed. If a newspaper printed them at the time I would be forever seen as a monster but at the time I wanted anyone who would listen to realise how hurt I was and how much pain I was in.
I really hope the family stop doing these interviews and get some help and support for their trauma.
 
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AladdinSane

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In the name of God - why do people leave children and dogs together with our properly watching them? The poor little baby - dog bites are horrifically painful. My heart aches for her, and her family.
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It's bloody awful. Regardless of how you feel about your own dog they are an animal. I don't even allow my dog and cats to interact without supervision and without an escape for the cats just in case.
I adore my dog and am 99% certain he wouldn't do anything ever but all it takes is one trigger and he could flip completely.

People do not take dogs seriously. Thr amount of times a toddler has come up to stroke my dog whilst I've been out walking him and the parents just laugh and giggle like it is nothing.
It makes me so angry.
 
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repairshoplover

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I always wonder how she can sleep at night. She was driving again very soon after the boy's death. I could never. In fact, I am so scared of the potential for hurting or killing someone I never took up driving in the first place, though I realise that is very extreme on my part. Still, she has only ever shown worry for avoiding jail and the UK than worry for what she did. I remember she tried offering money to make it all go away at one point.

Awful spoilt person.
I feel like she’s been protected when she killed someone. Initially it was an accident but her running back to America is not forgivable.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Rich kid drives Audi at 100MPH on 30MPH residential street and kills innocent young woman driving home from work, plus injures his 8 year old daughter.

Waste of space and only got 8 years. Was caught speeding again mere months after this incident. From a wealthy family (sister is an influencer) clearly thinks there are no consequences to his actions.

Disgusting
Absolutely disgusting!

Killing someone when you're driving over the limit and/or speeding should be an automatic manslaughter charge.

Hopkinson was jailed for eight years and made the subject of a 12-year driving disqualification, at the end of which he will have to take an extended retest.

I hope that 12 year disqualification BEGINS when he leaves jail, the b*stard. He'll probably only be in for about 5 years anyway. He should have been jailed for >15 and banned for life.

My heart aches for her poor sister - those two girls had been through so much and Alice had worked so hard to give them both a decent chance in life, and it's gone in an instant because of that selfish twat.
 
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Boogs

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I really do feel for the families but staying in the anger phase of grief and focusing it in the wrong place will be so damaging to them long term.

I saw this first hand with my Nan. She lost her son in road traffic accident and placed all her hurt into anger at the person who hit him. I can’t imagine how hard it is to lose your child but my nans grief was as raw 50 years later as she had never processed it, her anger held her back.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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A 7 month old baby has been killed by their family dog😔. Dog was apparently not a dangerous breed and has since been put down

In the name of God - why do people leave children and dogs together with our properly watching them? The poor little baby - dog bites are horrifically painful. My heart aches for her, and her family.
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I’ve seen hardly any reporting of this
French reports have said one of the rapists was her boyfriend who was angry she had hid her Jewish identity and they found anti semitic abuse on his phone. They allegedly vaginally and anally raped her, forced her to perform oral sex and hurled antisemitic abuse at her whilst doing so. They then threatened to kill her if she went to the police. Some reports have said they referenced Palestine during the rapes.
And this - there are no words. there really are no words.
 
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Bread

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Surely you could get a vet out to dart the poor thing? It's not like it's a man eating lion FFS.
 
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AladdinSane

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There are tons of what ifs that would have meant it didn’t happen, focusing on the family moving here over a decade before the incident absolutely has racial undertones and her recent grief doesn’t absolve that.
100%.
His family, unless they literally gave him the knife and told him to go kill 3 people that night, are not directly responsible for his actions.

If he is as ill as it has been reported, I would argue he is not directly responsible. I imagine it is incredibly difficult to fool actual psychologists into pretending you are incredibly mentally ill.
It is a horrific situation for all involved but blaming his family for moving here will serve no one.

I really hope they can all start to heal as much as possible. My heart breaks for them all.
 
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