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The nurses have said they'll stop the strikes if the Welsh offer is matched. I believe that would be 7% in total. Do those that don't support the strikes think that's too much?
Where? England, Scotland or Wales?
Parents of pre schoolers in Norway also spend an average of £240 a month on childcare fees. My sons nursery cost nearly £600 a month and he only goes 2 days a week!!
“Taxing others” nurses pay taxes too
Nurses salaries: How do other countries in Europe compare on wages?
Historic strikes by nurses in the UK's NHS over pay and working conditions mirror the struggle of many health workers in other European countries.
www.euronews.com
Like everything it's a bit more nuanced but this is interesting... in terms of purchasing power parity we're in the middle
UK nursing strikes: How do other countries in Europe compare on wages?
Historic strikes by nurses in the UK's NHS over pay and work conditions are mirroring the struggle of many health workers in other European countries.
www.euronews.com
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NI based but doesn’t matter, just wondering generally aa haven’t seen much media coverage on it for a wile now
People will hate me for this probably. But you chose to have a child so why should that be taken into account? Loads of people get paid similar to nurses and have children.Parents of pre schoolers in Norway also spend an average of £240 a month on childcare fees. My sons nursery cost nearly £600 a month and he only goes 2 days a week!!
“Taxing others” nurses pay taxes too
We were actually talking about this in my job this week. The full time staff where I work get 29.5k a year and one person was saying 2/3rd of their monthly wage goes on childcare.
It’s not just this that makes me think parents are entitled sometimes, it’s the wanting Christmas of as they have a child or what’s happening in my job at the moment with the parents always being late and the manager saying it’s because they have kids. Kids shouldn’t be an excuse, everyone else has a life as well
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Do people think that if you’re on low income that childcare costs just disappear into the abyss?
If it was about the wider cost of things the whole country would be in agreement, they’ve not once mentioned the cost of anything else just that they should be paid more and no one else is struggling and they’re all using food banks and applying for jobs at Lidl
If it was about the wider cost of things the whole country would be in agreement, they’ve not once mentioned the cost of anything else just that they should be paid more and no one else is struggling and they’re all using food banks and applying for jobs at Lidl
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If no one has kids there'll be even less private sector workers to pay everyone's wayPeople will hate me for this probably. But you chose to have a child so why should that be taken into account? Loads of people get paid similar to nurses and have children.
We were actually talking about this in my job this week. The full time staff where I work get 29.5k a year and one person was saying 2/3rd of their monthly wage goes on childcare.
It’s not just this that makes me think parents are entitled sometimes, it’s the wanting Christmas of as they have a child or what’s happening in my job at the moment with the parents always being late and the manager saying it’s because they have kids. Kids shouldn’t be an excuse, everyone else has a life as well
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To be fair low income families can get up to 80% of their childcare costs paid by UC. The benefit system is awful for the unemployed or sick but it's actually pretty decent at propping up low wages.
This isn’t about other people. It’s not a race to the bottom. Sick of people comparing this situation to lowest income workers like that means everyone else should be grateful and never aspire to get the wage they deserve
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If you think like that then maybe we need to look to solve the nhs staffing crisis with nuns because people have a human right to a family life and also if we want to have nurses/midwives/hcas (and increasingly junior doctors) the majority being female then, yeah, we need to consider childcare to enable women to work in a society where women have careers and the traditional multi generational household no longer exists In white western culturePeople will hate me for this probably. But you chose to have a child so why should that be taken into account? Loads of people get paid similar to nurses and have children.
We were actually talking about this in my job this week. The full time staff where I work get 29.5k a year and one person was saying 2/3rd of their monthly wage goes on childcare.
It’s not just this that makes me think parents are entitled sometimes, it’s the wanting Christmas of as they have a child or what’s happening in my job at the moment with the parents always being late and the manager saying it’s because they have kids. Kids shouldn’t be an excuse, everyone else has a life as well
And to bring the next generation of nurses, doctors, and retail workers into the world.
Population decline is bad for everyone.
Absolutely. Can you imagine going to your boss asking for a pay rise because you are a family of 6 and need more money. It’s your choice to have 4 children and subsequently you can’t expect your employer to pay you more because you want or need more. The person without children or only - shouldn’t get less. Life choices and all that!People will hate me for this probably. But you chose to have a child so why should that be taken into account? Loads of people get paid similar to nurses and have children.
We were actually talking about this in my job this week. The full time staff where I work get 29.5k a year and one person was saying 2/3rd of their monthly wage goes on childcare.
It’s not just this that makes me think parents are entitled sometimes, it’s the wanting Christmas of as they have a child or what’s happening in my job at the moment with the parents always being late and the manager saying it’s because they have kids. Kids shouldn’t be an excuse, everyone else has a life as well
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Trouble is we live in a nanny state, the government at times bail out all too often.
Imagine going to a cashpoint and want money out of a machine for a bank you don’t actually bank with.
The NHS has financial problems, a lot of public sector feel underpaid and undervalued but the problem is the government are using tax payers money giving giving giving and maybe that are taking out don’t technically pay in. Goodwill is a lovely quality to have but the uk can’t keep up with its generosity and can’t distribute their revenue fairly or with any logic.
The whole point of a recession is to curb spending and subsequently unless you are rich beyond rich you’ll feel the impact. Nurses aren’t the only profession feeling the pinch. My husband is private sector but we are cutting back according to his “pay cut” along with cutting back due to the cost of living so I’m considering meals differently, eating out less, I’m driving hubby to work to save on parking costs. We all have to be a grown up.
I know a nurse, quibbling over costs yet her lifestyle isn’t changing, she’s still doing waitrose food shops and going on holiday.
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Nurses aren’t the only profession feeling the pinch - and? Why do people keep coming back to this argument? If you want to earn more unionise and strike yourselves
Not all unions are effective/good
Happened with one of the teaching unions - some mix up and communication about ballot papers with some not even getting them
Poster about the supermarket staff union which basically ignored its members by the sound of things
I think people generally have an issue with nurses putting themselves above the rest of the population in the way they talk though - people also want their issues to be recognised
Whilst I agree about wanting time off/being late. A properly funded early years sector would mean more children would have access to a high quality early years education.People will hate me for this probably. But you chose to have a child so why should that be taken into account? Loads of people get paid similar to nurses and have children.
We were actually talking about this in my job this week. The full time staff where I work get 29.5k a year and one person was saying 2/3rd of their monthly wage goes on childcare.
It’s not just this that makes me think parents are entitled sometimes, it’s the wanting Christmas of as they have a child or what’s happening in my job at the moment with the parents always being late and the manager saying it’s because they have kids. Kids shouldn’t be an excuse, everyone else has a life as well
Are the staff in the medical field that blind and self absorbed to their own issues that they think the answer is “strike yourselves”
People can’t lose days of pay to strike, some people such as the police and the army aren’t even allowed to strike which is abhorrent. Some don’t strike because they’re in a sector that’s stretched and don’t want to cause additional problems to their colleagues.
Those who have no choice but to rely on agency work for tit money, no guaranteed hours and often piss poor working conditions can’t strike.
Why is no one allowed to have a bitter taste in their mouth that in the middle of a cost of living crisis where everyone’s skint, people are going without food and heating, that the ones making the biggest stink about their wages are on a decent salary.
Say it louder for the people at the back!!!
Absolutely spot on!
If you aren’t a nurse/dr/health worker working in a hospital and seeing the horrific situations then it’s hard to understand and comment on the situation. It’s not about us being paid a bigger salary personally. It’s about there being an incentive for new health professionals to join and make the nhs a safe place to be cared for in. I am a nurse and I have seen pts die because there are not enough qualified and competent nurses. The standard of care is SHOCKING and to be honest I am scared that any of my family or friends will need to go into hospital. I used to be so proud to be a nurse, now I am ashamed. Ashamed that we can’t look after people properly. Ashamed that patients are dying because we are having to give below standard care. Ashamed that we are having to strike to make people aware that the nhs is in CRISIS. I like many other nurses couldn’t give a tit how much we get paid. We didn’t go into nursing for the money. We did it for the love and care.
This really should be what the unions/people come out with in interviews and when interacting with nurses
A lot of the current arguments seem to come down to "we are underpaid and have to work hard" - which yes, but who isn't at this point?
When you’ve got a union boss talking so matter of factly that people are having chemotherapy cancelled over this and then bringing up pay I do think people can comment. The main focus on these strikes have been pay, all the signs on the pickets are about pay, if they want better working conditions then vocalise it.
People are allowed to have an opinion, the healthcare service affects all of us, not just the staff.
People are allowed to have an opinion, the healthcare service affects all of us, not just the staff.