Spend a couple of days working alongside any nurse and then write this comment. You’re clueless
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Why do the public need to work alongside them to have an opinion. Pat Cullens on sky now saying people have had their chemotherapy appointments etc cancelled because of this, people have every right to be pissed off
Nah, mate. I’f probably end up lumping you. Again thinking you are the only people doing difficult jobs under pressure.
Thank god you’re not a nurse with that delightful attitude. Let’s hope if you end up needing any kind of care in hospital that you treat the staff with far more respect than you’ve shown here
Respect given where needed. Not when the attitudes on this particular thread has been what they’ve been.
The belittling of retail workers. Yeah, some very nice delightful attitudes from nurses on this thread
I’m a hospital doctor as I’ve said several times.
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I think the system as we have it needs properly funding to know if it works or not before more restructuring. We have had constant restructuring in the hope of politicians looking like they’re doing something. We need to disassociate the NHS from politics and set 10-15 year plans not just short term plans to get us to the next election. Tories going to continue running us into the ground until the next GE as they don’t give a duck
I haven't missed any of your points. I've responded to the one when you thought you were so above a Tesco worker when you were talking about the pandemic.
If this thread isn't about the pandemic then stop going on about it. All I've heard (not from you just in general) is "oh we did this in the pandemic, give me a payrise"
I saw this on the news earlier today as part of some interview and rolled my eyes. I'm sure there are supermarket staff who would love to strike about their lack of pay and benefits but can't because the union seems a bit trash“nurses are leaving their trusts to work at Lidl for more money”
Why Aren’t Low Paid Supermarket Workers Joining Hot Strike Summer? | Novara Media
Staff at the UK’s biggest grocery chains are badly paid, but have so far showed no sign of taking industrial action like that seen in other sectors. Polly Smythe reports.
novaramedia.com
The army didn’t receive a pay rise for a good few year like many in the public sector. Ironically they can’t strike and have been pulled in to cover farming outbreaks, fire strikes, boarder control, ambulance strikes.
We don’t get what we want through striking and the government won’t be held to ransom.
I don’t deny the nhs is a money cesspit, staff feel underpaid, undervalued, broken, like they don’t get enough support but striking isn’t the answer. Do you think army personnel feel valued right now, do they deserve more money for taking on roles when other organisations need back up?
Yes nhs workers have had pay freezes for years and are feeling hugely affected by the cost of living crisis and are struggling but I don’t think striking will help.
We don’t get what we want through striking and the government won’t be held to ransom.
I don’t deny the nhs is a money cesspit, staff feel underpaid, undervalued, broken, like they don’t get enough support but striking isn’t the answer. Do you think army personnel feel valued right now, do they deserve more money for taking on roles when other organisations need back up?
Yes nhs workers have had pay freezes for years and are feeling hugely affected by the cost of living crisis and are struggling but I don’t think striking will help.
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I don't understand choosing to work in a profession that requires caring and compassion if you are going to waltz out over an industrial dispute. There are people in hospital in urgent need of care, dialysis, transfusions etc being neglected over this. No compassionate person would leave them to suffer.
In 2020, before energy companies started raising bills, they were offered a 1% increase, wich sounds fair enough and inline with inflation at the time. Now, they are demanding a 19% increase which is just ludicrous! Bear in mind they have always been paid considerably above minimum wage.
The way my grandmother was neglected by nurses after her stroke, how frail she was and miserable, I won't be fooled in to thinking they are all holier than though.
In 2020, before energy companies started raising bills, they were offered a 1% increase, wich sounds fair enough and inline with inflation at the time. Now, they are demanding a 19% increase which is just ludicrous! Bear in mind they have always been paid considerably above minimum wage.
The way my grandmother was neglected by nurses after her stroke, how frail she was and miserable, I won't be fooled in to thinking they are all holier than though.
I don't understand this constant comparing of retail work with nursing. They literally couldn't be more different.
Clearly retail is more appealing if nurses are leaving their profession to work in supermarkets. How many people are critically ill in Tescos? Many sick and dying in Sainsburys? Premature babies in Morrisons? Nah, didn't think so.
Before anyone says it I'm not a nurse and I don't work in the NHS. I did have a baby and attend A&E during the pandemic. I also went to lots of supermarkets.
Clearly retail is more appealing if nurses are leaving their profession to work in supermarkets. How many people are critically ill in Tescos? Many sick and dying in Sainsburys? Premature babies in Morrisons? Nah, didn't think so.
Before anyone says it I'm not a nurse and I don't work in the NHS. I did have a baby and attend A&E during the pandemic. I also went to lots of supermarkets.
As a former retail worker, I won't blow smoke up retail workers' arses. Some have become very rude, nonchalant and self righteous since the phrase "key worker" was coined. However, retail work can be physically taxing, the stock processing especially.
As you said, the two roles are in-comparible. I appreciate that nurses go to university and get qualifications, so it is right that they are paid above minimum wage. Demanding a 19% payrise though is sheer greed.
How about we all stop depicting someone as a saint for doing their job and treat everyone as equals? Because every job is challenging in different ways.
Do you really think they really want 19%? Would you open your negotiations with your final offer? It's always been a starting point and they have since said they'd be happy with the same offer they've had in Wales.
The fact remains that staffing is going to remain at a critical level unless the job is made more appealing.
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Also I think the only ones depicting anyone as saints are the ones saying nursing is a vocation and they should do it for the love of it, regardless of pay and conditions.
Nursing is a profession, a job, and it should be treated like any other.
Retail workers (and all other minimum wage earners) have actually had pretty decent pay rises from the Tories, with the introduction of the living wage and the raising of the tax free threshold. Why should public sector workers always bear the brunt of everything?
Wait whaaat? So retail workers can absolutely live on minimum wage but a nurse cannot live on approx 33k and uses a foodbank?! Make it make sense for the love of god.
A large, blanket pay rise is unfeasible with the insane occupational sick pay and pensions, it’s not like a pay rise in the private sector it’s factoring in all those other benefits that barely get mentioned. If they bring those in line with reality then they’d have a better chance but they won’t and it’s unsustainable. There was a nurse in the news recently who’s been off on full pay since 2020. Try your luck at that in retail or anywhere else.
Did I say that? I don't think I did!
Nurses have had a real terms pay cut for 10 years. Retail workers have not.
Do you think they should be paid the same? Surely jobs with vastly different entry requirements and responsibilities should be paid differently.
Comparing the two salaries isn't really as straightforward as it seems either. Those on minimum wage are often entitled to UC top up for rent, childcare etc. Nurses aren't.
My family are surviving off £33k at the moment (£2k take home) while I'm on mat leave. Our household bills are more than we bring in ans we're not entitled to any help.
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There must be exceptional circumstances. Usual NHS sick pay is 6 months full and 6 months half.
Aviva pay full pay for a year, and many other private companies have decent policies too.
I do agree that the sick pay is a MAJOR benefit but it is so unbelievably abused that I find it absoloutely disgusting. I've seen it first hand over the last 10 years. Unions will argue the sick pay is needed because NHS staff get burnt out etc but over the years I've seen time and time again people who are on long term sick over and over. They come back and you can bet on them going off again when their sick pay kicks back in.
It's soul destroying for others who actually come to work like myself. What else is compleye madness is that when you're off sick you're annual leave entitlement still remains so people add their annuals leave weeks om the end of their already long sick leave.
Everyone’s had a real terms pay cut. Things have gone up. Unless you’re absolutely loaded nobodies money is stretching far anymore. And fair enough you can get UC top ups, but it doesn’t all of a sudden make your wage increase tenfold.
What’s the answer? Striking is the only real option workers have when the government isn’t listening, it’s a fundamental right to be able to withdraw labour. The nurses really don’t want this to continue, I think they would take a much lower offer than what they are asking but that takes negotiation and there is no will from the government unfortunately.
junior doctors are balloting to strike right now and they are so much more militant than the nurses, you will all hate us
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Unfortunately there are always going to be people like that. I’m the type to drag myself in unless I’m clearly visibly like death warmed up but many aren’t. The right thing is somewhere in the middle. The sickness absence wouldn’t be such a big issue if we weren’t operating on skeleton staffing all the time.
I haven't had a real terms pay cut. We weren't given a rise in 2020 because of the pandemic, but were given 14% in 2021 to make up for it.
Sounds like a lot of people on this thread need to find better employers.
Another issue with NHS pay? It's basically a captive market.
If they don't give a decent payrise nurses will keep leaving to work agency or at Aldi. I hope everyone in this thread arguing against it has private healthcare.