Nurses striking

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There must be exceptional circumstances. Usual NHS sick pay is 6 months full and 6 months half.
Aviva pay full pay for a year, and many other private companies have decent policies too.
Apparently Aviva now pay 26 weeks if you’ve been with them for over two years, it doesn’t increase past that with service. Still very generous and not the norm. I don’t know anywhere that has anything like NHS unless they’re on a far smaller scale.

Like @instasham13 I’ve worked with loads who didn’t need exceptional circs, they’d go off for 6 months, recover when their pay was going down to half and then take all their accrued leave.
 
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Apparently Aviva now pay 26 weeks if you’ve been with them for over two years, it doesn’t increase past that with service. Still very generous and not the norm. I don’t know anywhere that has anything like NHS unless they’re on a far smaller scale.

Like @instasham13 I’ve worked with loads who didn’t need exceptional circs, they’d go off for 6 months, recover when their pay was going down to half and then take all their accrued leave.
Does the fact that some people abuse a system mean that no one deserves a pay rise though?
Sure things like that could be managed better, perhaps that could be part of the negotiation.

In real terms, the band 5 starting salary increased by 6.7% between 2017/18 and 2020/21. But since 2010/11, it has fallen by a total of 3.2%


Do you all really think that's OK?! I'm honestly baffled
 
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No one begrudes nurses a payrise. I've said this time and time again throughout this thread.
Nurses are literally acting like everyone is living their best life whilst they are standing in line at a foodbank and it's not true. Nurses have actually in fact had a payrise, I think it was around 6%. I do actually think that is a little low but it's still waaaay more than most people got.
The insinuation that nurses cannot survive on 33k and are using foodbanks is insulting when people earning less aren't using foodbanks.
The chip on shoulder nurses are currently sporting is unattractive at best. We, the public, do not owe you a damn thing. We pay for the NHS, we support the NHS, we you ain't the be all and end all.
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Doctors will have less support because no one can get a doctor's appointment.
 
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No one begrudes nurses a payrise. I've said this time and time again throughout this thread.
Nurses are literally acting like everyone is living their best life whilst they are standing in line at a foodbank and it's not true. Nurses have actually in fact had a payrise, I think it was around 6%. I do actually think that is a little low but it's still waaaay more than most people got.
The insinuation that nurses cannot survive on 33k and are using foodbanks is insulting when people earning less aren't using foodbanks.
The chip on shoulder nurses are currently sporting is unattractive at best. We, the public, do not owe you a damn thing. We pay for the NHS, we support the NHS, we you ain't the be all and end all.
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Doctors will have less support because no one can get a doctor's appointment.
Do you think its doctors fault no one can get an appointment? Like they just sit with their feet up?

The Tories are killing the NHS off. Nurses will get much fairer pay when they inevitably introduce a US style system. It'll be us patients that suffer.
 
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Do you think its doctors fault no one can get an appointment? Like they just sit with their feet up?

The Tories are killing the NHS off. Nurses will get much fairer pay when they inevitably introduce a US style system. It'll be us patients that suffer.
That's exactly what I think tbh. My doctor is never at the surgery. Telephone appointments galore where we are.
 
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Does the fact that some people abuse a system mean that no one deserves a pay rise though?
Sure things like that could be managed better, perhaps that could be part of the negotiation.

In real terms, the band 5 starting salary increased by 6.7% between 2017/18 and 2020/21. But since 2010/11, it has fallen by a total of 3.2%


Do you all really think that's OK?! I'm honestly baffled
Just sharing my experience of people using “exceptional circumstances” to go off sick excessively. Any pay rise has to factor in the whole compensation package, there’d be more scope if these agendas were reformed but I doubt the unions would entertain negotiating on those at any point.
 
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No one begrudes nurses a payrise. I've said this time and time again throughout this thread.
Nurses are literally acting like everyone is living their best life whilst they are standing in line at a foodbank and it's not true. Nurses have actually in fact had a payrise, I think it was around 6%. I do actually think that is a little low but it's still waaaay more than most people got.
The insinuation that nurses cannot survive on 33k and are using foodbanks is insulting when people earning less aren't using foodbanks.
The chip on shoulder nurses are currently sporting is unattractive at best. We, the public, do not owe you a damn thing. We pay for the NHS, we support the NHS, we you ain't the be all and end all.
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Doctors will have less support because no one can get a doctor's appointment.
GPs aren’t striking its junior doctors ie hospital doctors. I have no power over appointments. Every week I’m asking managers to be booked more clinics but they don’t book them.
 
I deffo don't think nurses don't deserve a payrise because some staff nurses/admin etc abuse the system. I'm just pointing out that in my experience there are some people who are off until their sick pay runs out, back to buld it up again and then off for another 6 months and I'm sure some people will say they must be sick and need the leave. Nah their just puss takers who use the system to their advantage.

Covid was massively abused!!! I know of people faking lat flow tests or using their friends/relatives test to score some more covid sick time which wasn't counted ad actual sick time until recently.
 
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I can see this all ending with no decent pay offer for Wales, England and Wales. Many nurses etc will leave but realisticly most won't because the pay is still higher than nat minimum.
I don't get this. Why is the only option for nurses to leave and go into minimum wage jobs? Ive posted before Im ex-nurse & I make twice now what I did when i was a nurse and my current salary scales can progress infinitely higher.
 
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My husband didn’t get a pay rise last year, his company didn’t offer any. It sucks as our living costs have increased hugely. I think they need to be realistic with their demands.
 
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My husband didn’t get a pay rise last year, his company didn’t offer any. It sucks as our living costs have increased hugely. I think they need to be realistic with their demands.
They are some of the lowest paid nurses in Europe. Whether your husbands (private sector?) Firm gave him personally a pay rise doesn't really come in to it.

They are currently being underpaid and were underpaid before inflation came into if. They are asking for a fair wage imo that reflects their level of training and the levels in the rest of Europe.

Ireland treat nurses appalingly but even our average wage is higher.
 
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That's the same private sector that funds nurses with taxation money.
Public sector workers also pay tax you know. It's not solely funded by private sector workers. Such an irrelevant point.
We also fund a subsidised bar in the Houses of Parliament and we pay MP salaries while they are on constant holidays or in the jungle. No one seems to be complaining about that.
 
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Public sector workers also pay tax you know. It's not solely funded by private sector workers. Such an irrelevant point.
We also fund a subsidised bar in the Houses of Parliament and we pay MP salaries while they are on constant holidays or in the jungle. No one seems to be complaining about that.
Totally agree, the funded bars in Parliament should have been abolished decades ago (too angry to even comment on the jungle fiasco)
 
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That's the same private sector that funds nurses with taxation money.
The higher the increase the government offer the more taxpayers will have to contribute. The money doesn’t come from a money tree. Yes my husband is in the private sector but even private companies have to cut their cloth accordingly and if revenue isn’t there then salaries can’t be increased. My husband works long hours, pays a fortune towards parking, rail fares, pays for his lunches, is often treated like crap from the top with immense pressure. He just doesn’t strike or throw a wobbly. By not getting a pay rise he has simply had his pay reduced given inflation is extortionate and we’ve had to cut out cloth accordingly.
Don’t get me wrong I’m sympathetic but I’m just not sure striking is helpful and I don’t know how the government can possibly consider such an increase in pay and adjustments to working conditions. Once you do one public sector then all will need reviewing and before we know it the minimum wage for everything is increased. Eventually we’ll have low skilled workers earning 100k a year 😂. Where do we drawer the line.
 
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revenue isn’t there then salaries can’t be increased.
Exactly, if we are all paying higher national insurance to cover the 19% pay rise that the nurses' union is demanding, then there will sadly be a lot less to spend in private sectors, such as retail, tourism, leisure, hospitality, sports and recreation. People in the private sector don't have the assurance of the service being bank rolled by public money.
 
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Unfortunately because the nature of a health service is to produce health outcomes and not money, the value of it is not appreciated.
 
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Unfortunately because the nature of a health service is to produce health outcomes and not money, the value of it is not appreciated.
Minimum wage is just over £20,000 and nurses get paid £33,000 (based on full time working) per year. That is £13,000 worth of appreciation.
 
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They are some of the lowest paid nurses in Europe.
They're really not. The EU average nurse wage is £31600. That's lower than UK nurse wage wage. In Norway nurses only make a few thousand more but the cost of living is nearly double. When misinformation like this is pedalled it makes it hard to trust them.
The union's are as full as much crap as the government.
+ Nurses have a super generous pension. Everyone is struggling at the moment, nurses still have a pretty good deal. Of course some are finding it tough, like millions of others. But taxing others who are struggling just as much (probably more) or loading up on debt for people to pay in the future is not good either. Nurses need a bit of balance and look outside of their own bubble and the rit that unions pedal to justify their existence.
 
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