Spend a couple of days working alongside any nurse and then write this comment. You’re clueless
Spend a couple of days working alongside any nurse and then write this comment. You’re cluelessDon’t support the strikes at all. Nurses know what he pay is before even entering the workforce.
They are putting public health at risk.
Does the NHS in general need a rethink? Probably yes but this isn’t it and people are already turning on them.
If I had an operation cancelled due to the strikes I’d be fuming.
A lot of nurses had also been bullied into “supporting” the strikes.
Absolute bollocks and nothing anybody says will change my mind. They are better paid than most people
Why do the public need to work alongside them to have an opinion. Pat Cullens on sky now saying people have had their chemotherapy appointments etc cancelled because of this, people have every right to be pissed offSpend a couple of days working alongside any nurse and then write this comment. You’re clueless
Nah, mate. I’f probably end up lumping you. Again thinking you are the only people doing difficult jobs under pressure.Spend a couple of days working alongside any nurse and then write this comment. You’re clueless
Thank god you’re not a nurse with that delightful attitude. Let’s hope if you end up needing any kind of care in hospital that you treat the staff with far more respect than you’ve shown hereNah, mate. I’f probably end up lumping you. Again thinking you are the only people doing difficult jobs under pressure.
Respect given where needed. Not when the attitudes on this particular thread has been what they’ve been.Thank god you’re not a nurse with that delightful attitude. Let’s hope if you end up needing any kind of care in hospital that you treat the staff with far more respect than you’ve shown here
I’m a hospital doctor as I’ve said several times.Would love to know exactly what job you supposedly do for the NHS?
I think the system as we have it needs properly funding to know if it works or not before more restructuring. We have had constant restructuring in the hope of politicians looking like they’re doing something. We need to disassociate the NHS from politics and set 10-15 year plans not just short term plans to get us to the next election. Tories going to continue running us into the ground until the next GE as they don’t give a fuckI can see both sides of the coin. I’m very much pro-strikes, not just with nurses but I can’t see how this will do anything for pay or conditions. We’ve had a Tory government for 13 years - if they would’ve given a pay increase, they would’ve done it now.
I think most of us are struggling money wise as well and finding it hard to make ends meet. Not a lot of people agree with me on this but I do think some nurses have a chip on their shoulder since Covid - my Nana has weekly district nurses and the amount of times I’ve been there when they visit and heard them say they don’t have time to do that (one example being they couldn’t change a leg ulcer dressing that had been on a week as the nurse ‘didn’t have time’ yet was the reason for her visit!). My boyfriends had a heart valve operation cancelled twice due to nurses strikes as well.
Basically our entire healthcare system needs overhauling starting from the bottom up; bringing back nursing bursaries, re-structuring NHS management etc.
I haven't missed any of your points. I've responded to the one when you thought you were so above a Tesco worker when you were talking about the pandemic.I think you’re missing my overall point in this thread as the pandemic is just one small part of this but overall the strike isn’t about the pandemic it’s about a decade plus of denrigration in pay and working standards. This has happened for many of us not just nurses but the RCN etc can only really deal with nurses. It’s tiring when it keeps getting brought back to what other people did in the pandemic when really that’s not the point of this all
I saw this on the news earlier today as part of some interview and rolled my eyes. I'm sure there are supermarket staff who would love to strike about their lack of pay and benefits but can't because the union seems a bit trash“nurses are leaving their trusts to work at Lidl for more money”
As a former retail worker, I won't blow smoke up retail workers' arses. Some have become very rude, nonchalant and self righteous since the phrase "key worker" was coined. However, retail work can be physically taxing, the stock processing especially.Clearly retail is more appealing if nurses are leaving their profession to work in supermarkets. How many people are critically ill in Tescos? Many sick and dying in Sainsburys? Premature babies in Morrisons? Nah, didn't think so.
Do you really think they really want 19%? Would you open your negotiations with your final offer? It's always been a starting point and they have since said they'd be happy with the same offer they've had in Wales.As a former retail worker, I won't blow smoke up retail workers' arses. Some have become very rude, nonchalant and self righteous since the phrase "key worker" was coined. However, retail work can be physically taxing, the stock processing especially.
As you said, the two roles are in-comparible. I appreciate that nurses go to university and get qualifications, so it is right that they are paid above minimum wage. Demanding a 19% payrise though is sheer greed.
How about we all stop depicting someone as a saint for doing their job and treat everyone as equals? Because every job is challenging in different ways.
Wait whaaat? So retail workers can absolutely live on minimum wage but a nurse cannot live on approx 33k and uses a foodbank?! Make it make sense for the love of god.Do you really think they really want 19%? Would you open your negotiations with your final offer? It's always been a starting point and they have since said they'd be happy with the same offer they've had in Wales.
The fact remains that staffing is going to remain at a critical level unless the job is made more appealing.
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Also I think the only ones depicting anyone as saints are the ones saying nursing is a vocation and they should do it for the love of it, regardless of pay and conditions.
Nursing is a profession, a job, and it should be treated like any other.
Retail workers (and all other minimum wage earners) have actually had pretty decent pay rises from the Tories, with the introduction of the living wage and the raising of the tax free threshold. Why should public sector workers always bear the brunt of everything?
Did I say that? I don't think I did!Wait whaaat? So retail workers can absolutely live on minimum wage but a nurse cannot live on approx 33k and uses a foodbank?! Make it make sense for the love of god.
There must be exceptional circumstances. Usual NHS sick pay is 6 months full and 6 months half.A large, blanket pay rise is unfeasible with the insane occupational sick pay and pensions, it’s not like a pay rise in the private sector it’s factoring in all those other benefits that barely get mentioned. If they bring those in line with reality then they’d have a better chance but they won’t and it’s unsustainable. There was a nurse in the news recently who’s been off on full pay since 2020. Try your luck at that in retail or anywhere else.
I do agree that the sick pay is a MAJOR benefit but it is so unbelievably abused that I find it absoloutely disgusting. I've seen it first hand over the last 10 years. Unions will argue the sick pay is needed because NHS staff get burnt out etc but over the years I've seen time and time again people who are on long term sick over and over. They come back and you can bet on them going off again when their sick pay kicks back in.A large, blanket pay rise is unfeasible with the insane occupational sick pay and pensions, it’s not like a pay rise in the private sector it’s factoring in all those other benefits that barely get mentioned. If they bring those in line with reality then they’d have a better chance but they won’t and it’s unsustainable. There was a nurse in the news recently who’s been off on full pay since 2020. Try your luck at that in retail or anywhere else.
What’s the answer? Striking is the only real option workers have when the government isn’t listening, it’s a fundamental right to be able to withdraw labour. The nurses really don’t want this to continue, I think they would take a much lower offer than what they are asking but that takes negotiation and there is no will from the government unfortunately.The army didn’t receive a pay rise for a good few year like many in the public sector. Ironically they can’t strike and have been pulled in to cover farming outbreaks, fire strikes, boarder control, ambulance strikes.
We don’t get what we want through striking and the government won’t be held to ransom.
I don’t deny the nhs is a money cesspit, staff feel underpaid, undervalued, broken, like they don’t get enough support but striking isn’t the answer. Do you think army personnel feel valued right now, do they deserve more money for taking on roles when other organisations need back up?
Yes nhs workers have had pay freezes for years and are feeling hugely affected by the cost of living crisis and are struggling but I don’t think striking will help.
Unfortunately there are always going to be people like that. I’m the type to drag myself in unless I’m clearly visibly like death warmed up but many aren’t. The right thing is somewhere in the middle. The sickness absence wouldn’t be such a big issue if we weren’t operating on skeleton staffing all the time.I do agree that the sick pay is a MAJOR benefit but it is so unbelievably abused that I find it absoloutely disgusting. I've seen it first hand over the last 10 years. Unions will argue the sick pay is needed because NHS staff get burnt out etc but over the years I've seen time and time again people who are on long term sick over and over. They come back and you can bet on them going off again when their sick pay kicks back in.
It's soul destroying for others who actually come to work like myself. What else is compleye madness is that when you're off sick you're annual leave entitlement still remains so people add their annuals leave weeks om the end of their already long sick leave.
I haven't had a real terms pay cut. We weren't given a rise in 2020 because of the pandemic, but were given 14% in 2021 to make up for it.Everyone’s had a real terms pay cut. Things have gone up. Unless you’re absolutely loaded nobodies money is stretching far anymore. And fair enough you can get UC top ups, but it doesn’t all of a sudden make your wage increase tenfold.
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