OK but it’s just not sufficient reason or justification. Proximity to a crime does not amount to suspicion and certainly not enough to allow a search of your home without a warrant?Yes; surely. I’d be of the belief that because something suspicious had occurred near me, that this would be sufficient reason and justification.
That’s not grounds for the police to get a warrant and search every house in the area though. The law doesn’t work like that.Yes; surely. I’d be of the belief that because something suspicious had occurred near me, that this would be sufficient reason and justification.
Someone else said the sister has been having an affair with him and they are behind the dissaperanceIt is crazy on the FB group! I saw someone suggesting she has left the U.K. to start a new life!!
I slipped in mud today actually walking my dog. Genuinely I did. The ground wasn’t as frozen as I thought it would be and I was writing a message on my phone so not paying attention.Yeah I mean, I make myself a coffee every morning and the other day I wasn’t paying attention and ended up pouring boiling water all over the kitchen counter lmao. Accidents do happen indeed, and nothing has to ‘change’ for them to occur.
It would also waste a lot of police time searching everyone‘s home in the area and doing it throughly, when the time could be better spent.Yes; surely. I’d be of the belief that because something suspicious had occurred near me, that this would be sufficient reason and justification.
I appreciate the legal lesson. But you didn’t ask me to articulate my understanding of the law, you asked for my view on what I felt was ‘reasonable justification’ for searching a home. I answered to clarify that, in my view, proximity to a crime would indeed be reasonable justification for searching a dwelling. It’s only my opinion and not what the actual legal position isOK but it’s just not sufficient reason or justification. Proximity to a crime does not amount to suspicion and certainly not enough to allow a search of your home without a warrant?
Just to be really clear on all the points about the dog - even if Willow saw Nicola enter the water, Nicola would likely have only been visible for a matter of seconds before being submerged.
If you haven’t read the post about cold water drowning, it’s very informative about how quickly and silently it happens. A dog would not understand, and it certainly wouldn’t think its owner was playing - there would be no thrashing about like in the movies.
Yes, spaniels generally love water, but they will often only jump in a freezing river if they’re following a tennis ball.
Yes, spaniels (and dogs in general) are fiercely loyal pets, but they are also animals who don’t understand that human disappearing in river = human drowning. They just think it’s like when you walk out the front door, and you’ll be back a bit later. Except they’re outside in the cold.
Yes, some dogs bark if left outside a shop. But some don’t. Spaniels aren’t really vocal dogs in general.
The fact the dog was dry only means the dog didn’t go in the river.
Oh yes I agree. My reply was just clarifying that in my view living in the proximity of a crime should provide reasonable justification for a home search (without a warrant) if the police wanted to.It would also waste a lot of police time searching everyone‘s home in the area and doing it throughly, when the time could be better spent.
Not sure this is a reliable post. I don‘t even think Willow is a cocker spaniel, she looks like a springer to me. And it goes against what the police, her friends and family have stated.Fascinated about this so he was found an hour or so back running between bench and river agitated……????
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I have absolutely no legal training so I’m not giving you a “lesson” it’s common knowledge that someone going missing on your street doesn’t give the police the right to enter and search your property. It’s not really to do with anyone’s personal belief - there is an objective standard on what amounts to reasonable suspicion.I appreciate the legal lesson. But you didn’t ask me to articulate my understanding of the law, you asked for my view on what I felt was ‘reasonable justification’ for searching a home. I answered to clarify that, in my view, proximity to a crime would indeed be reasonable justification for searching a dwelling. It’s only my opinion and not what the actual legal position is
I appreciate that. I was offering my opinion on how it should operate, not how it does in practice.That’s not grounds for the police to get a warrant and search every house in the area though. The law doesn’t work like that.
Also, I may be wrong but wasn’t it running between the gate and the bench? The paper’s not wholly reliable?Not sure this is a reliable post. I don‘t even think Willow is a cocker spaniel, she looks like a springer to me.
We will agree to disagree because I really do not think that’s how it should operate. It’s a basic principle of freedom imo.I appreciate that. I was offering my opinion on how it should operate, not how it does in practice.
Which part fascinates you? Or my whole dog post in general?Fascinated about this so he was found an hour or so back running between bench and river agitated……????
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I’m sure for them there’s a lot of distraction, friends, school, playing, TV, periods of forgetting…then remembering and asking when mummy will be home. How you keep your own distress at bay while trying to answer that question in a balanced way that sounds positive but doesn’t promise too much, I have absolutely no idea. Hopefully the “specially trained officers” are advising with that.I just can't help thinking about her poor young girls. What pain and confusion and heartbreak they must be going through right now. Whatever has happened, I hope a conclusion is drawn soon for their poor sakes.
You be careful please!I slipped in mud today actually walking my dog. Genuinely I did. The ground wasn’t as frozen as I thought it would be and I was writing a message on my phone so not paying attention.
I was in the middle of a field and it was pretty flat so I was able to steady myself.
But accidents do - and can - happen.
The police would need a warrant to enter and search the occupied caravans and for that they would need evidence to present to a judge. They obviously have no evidence to do this.The empty caravans in the park have been searched. The police have stated they have no reason to search occupied caravans as the search hasn't led them to occupied caravans. Unsure how the search led them to unoccupied but not occupied
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