Michael Jackson

[George Agdgdgwngo]

All those impersonators who had plastic surgery, now look like the nonce

 

[Dexy]

In square one, they mentioned his bedroom was like a house with 2 floors. I think one case mentioned where they slept in the bed Michael and another man, a member of staff slept on the floor. The man was there as a witness.

He did dumb things. I guess we’ll never know why.

I think there was probably a part of “ I’m Michael Jackson, I’ll do what I like” kind of stubborn, pig headed kind of attitude too. I mean you can’t become the world’s biggest superstar without being a) driven and b) having a bit of an inflated ego. I remember reading one of his bodyguards books and he said if he saw something he wanted he’d be like “ I’m having that. “ One time he saw some sort of the advertising feature, twenty foot feature of something or other and he said he wanted one. The bodyguard said “ you can’t just buy that. It’s advertising something, it’s not actually for sale “ and he was adamant he was getting one and sure enough he did.
Also I think while it’s not true he paid off victims I reckon he did just throw money at stuff and say “ make it go away. “ He certainly had his issues but I think that just came from being a child star. They all seem too. I certainly wouldn’t swop my boring life for money and fame.

 

[Web30]

Anyone watching the new Netflix series?

Im torn, I know its a load of rubbish, tiktoks already debunked a lot of it. However im always up for watching Michael related things.

 

[Ivegone]

The Cascio's have filed a lawsuit. I think this is the first time a girl has accused him.

Michael Jackson accused of child sex trafficking in new lawsuit

Edward, Dominic and Aldo Cascio and their sister Marie-Nicole Porte called Jackson a "serial child predator."

www.nbcnews.com

surely this can't go anywhere though hes been dead for 16 years

 

[PurvyPanda]

He’s a mercurial character though, I can still appreciate his music - well everything before Bad was incredible, after that it all went a bit meh.

Maybe ‘Bad’ was foreshadowing

 

[samwilzrhcp]

Just out of interest, what do you listen to?
I'm only asking because if you can't separate art from artist you may find you run out of things quite quickly.

I listen to all sorts really, my favourite artists being Queen, Abba, The Beatles, Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Rolling stones, Lost Prophets, Aerosmith, you name it, a huge variety.

 

[Zozzat]

James Safechuck's Michael Jackson abuse claims 'exposed as pure fiction'

EXCLUSIVE: Mike Smallcombe claims the accuser's story of being abused in Neverland’s train station cannot be true as it was built two years after he said the assaults stopped

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Michael Jackson’s sons, siblings attend movie premiere — while three important family members notably skip

The brothers each honored their late father with outfits that paid homage to the King of Pop.

pagesix.com

My mistake it was his sisters Janet and LaToya missing with Paris.

Hardly a family vote of confidence.

LaToya was a producer so no,it's not like she didn't want anything to do with the movie.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Me too and I though Taron was amazing in the Elton John one.

I didn't like Elton's one. Not sure why

 

[Twinkle6]

Again, a victim can be groomed for years into thinking nothing wrong and it is only years later, they realise they were abused. Go to any site that deals with this kind of thing and you wouldn't believe some of the stories about it. Years back I remember a story in the paper about a woman finding videos of him abusing their grandkids who were adults at the time, yet they still denied he had done anything wrong to them. Even after he himself put his hands up, while one of them finally admitted what had happened, the other two were begging the courts not to jail him because he had screwed with their heads so much and even in their 20s, believed this was how grandfathers showed their love. My point is every victim is different in how they react to abuse.

As for why they are coming forward now, unlike murder, there is a time period for when you can report sexual assault/abuse. It's only in the last few years that some places including California have wiggled things about so even if it was years back, you can report it depending on certain circumstances. That's why we are hearing about so many victims coming forward now...because they did try to before but were told no.

As for the money thing...how many stories have we heard about victims/ their families told their cases weren't going to court because it didn't meet the standard of what was needed so instead they went the other route because they wanted it on record the accuser DID do what they were accused of and when they were found guilty, the victims were awarded damages because of what they went through? This isn't any different in my opinion. If he did what he was accused of...that will have fucked his victims up and meant years of therapy and other things needed to help them try to cope so if that means it is proven and they get damages then so be it.

Thank you, like I say I don’t know what to think and I’m really open to hearing these views.

 

[KINGAA]

He groomed the parents as well. You offer the world to someone who has never seen it (it was always families who were poor and had nothing) and claim there is no strings attached and while they might have some issues, many would take it. With them out of the way getting this and that and going here and there, he was free to do what he wanted with the kids. I'm not saying this to absolve the parents because if something is too good to be true then it usually is, but they get to the kids through the parents more than most realise.

As for people who still refuse to believe it...look at what's come out about Epstein and the others. If you have the money then you can pay your way out of anything but you will eventually be caught. I honestly wouldn't be surprised that if he had lived, there would be more accusations and eventually one would come he wouldn't be able to talk his way out of.

The problem is, Leaving Neverland failed the victims because the director was pushing so hard for a story he wanted to portray that he allowed it to be picked apart with facts proving factually incorrect moments which added more doubt to a story that needed a public backing. I think it did more harm than good to MJs victims and I do believe there are more out there that haven’t come to terms to comprehend what grooming actually is. It’s a shame but yeah, Leaving Neverland was a stupid decision from all involved.

It would be so interesting to see how this would’ve played out if he lived, like I genuinely think he’d be in prison now.

 

[Ivegone]

That's always the risk taken when trying the rich and famous - juror loyalties to them could twist things. However, no one in the world was ever as famous and beloved as Michael Jackson, there's no arguing that. People were and still are obsessed with proving his innocence, because he occupied a place in their hearts.

The world was obsessed with Micheal, people were fainting at his concerts, all over the world. Diddy is not the same.

Also a reminder that there is video footage of R Kelly urinating on a 14 year old girl, whom he was sexually abusing far further than that, and people vociferously defended him for decades.

It has taken a long, long time to get where we are as far as the public accepting these abuses, and the trial against Jackson then would not be at all the same as a trial against him now.

ETA: another reminder that OJ Simpson walked. That does not mean he was innocent. For every celebrity in prison, there's a dozen whose status protected them from consequences.

Thank you see i thought if someone was your idol no way could you jury for them

I separate them music them and personal them same with R Kelly turn back the hands of time is one of my favourite 90s songs i dont like what he did but i still lile the music amd i dont think i could ever hate Michael Jackson music apatt from the preachy charity shit

 

[magsmagsmags]

Or maybe the updates from the trial of 2005?... you can find online where he was tried in a court of law as any living American citizen is-you know, with a jury, a judge, evidence against him, evidence on his defence, victims testimony, eye witnesses. Not a documentary that is purely one sided with no defence, how is that fair in any way? Its like saying go and watch a documentary that is purely fan fiction of his innocence. I understand we need to hear what the accusations are, but at the same time it's hardly balanced. I hope you aren't called for jury service any time soon.
I can't stand the fans that protest his innocence all the time, completely blind sided and romanticising his music and legacy, but equally i think its unfair to believe every accusation sent his way when we don't have any evidence. This is why we have a justice system in place.

I was actually more interested in his upbringing/general life story etc, but totally understand what you’re getting at and I’ll look it up too
Thanks everyone for the recs too

 

[Bradshaw]

I was a boy in Michael Jackson’s life, and nothing of what he's being accused of happened

I wanted to write and post this before Leaving Neverland premiered at Sundance last Friday. After all, I had a close relationship with Michael Jackson growing up and nothing of what he continues to be accused of has ever happened to me. I decided to wait because I was curious to see if the film […]

talunzeitoun.com

Very intresting blog post

He just wasn't that into you?

 

[Web30]

Right, because it’s perfectly normal for an adult man to share a room with a young boy he is not related to. Ugh.

He also wasnt alone with them, from other interviews the siblings or other kids that were round would stay in his room at the same time. Again something the media ignore.

 

[Dexy]

Someone who actually knew WR and the Casios.

https://medium.com/@d.karaty/michaeljacksonbetrayed-c9a9b773151b

 

[MsPelzer]

the current family who filed the lawsuit were vehemently defending MJ over the years.

I don’t doubt MJ was a paedophile at all. I don’t think he abused every little kid around him though.

he favored submissive boys didn’t he.

I think it was all normal for him but he was savvy enough to abuse kids hidden. he slipped up when he defended sharing beds with kids and had to go with it I think.

He also favoured celebrity kids who wouldn't want to go public ala Culkin. He paraded him around like a boyfriend.

 

[Ivegone]

There was a reason he only picked people whose parents who were hard up and naive. Many assume only kids can be groomed but it happens to adults as well and that's exactly what he did...gave them more money than they had ever had before, presents and holidays they would never have the chance to take otherwise. Most parents would go 'What a minute' and see if something is too good to be true it is. Maybe on some level they did too but they clearly got over it quickly Then when the kids were too old, the families were all discarded and he moved onto the next bunch of victims. He was the one who committed the crimes but the parents should take some of the blame too but from the interviews I saw, none seemed to.

The parents definitely should and any court judge should be like hmm hang on you let them do this what parents are you I know parents get judged but no normal parent would so this even in the 90s when no one gave a shit


I don't think he helped himself at all and brought it all on himself

 

[GiggleBee]

Why should it? The people who if it’s true are now traumatised by it can’t be at rest. Maybe the truth coming out can help them move on?

We’re all jimmy savilles victims told to just leave it? Can’t believe you’d even suggest it. Because it’s MJ it’s different?

Because they all come out of the woodwork. Look at Jimmy Saville and how many have come out and claimed he did something to them. Yes half of them may have had something happen but the other half are only in it for the money.

 

[Zozzat]

More truth coming out http://www.ladbible.com/news/film-a...aims-of-inaccuracies-20190402?source=facebook