Michael Jackson

[Upintheair83]

No videos it seems, just lots of pictures.

Oh the NABL

No videos it seems, just lots of pictures.

Oh the NAMBLA book he claimed was sent by a fan.I think that was all that was found, right? I never heard of anymore. I studied that 2005 trial hard back in the day. The 2005 trial really struggled with any physical evidence to convict, especially in regards to any indecent images on laptops/ computers. I think Sneddon was quite disappointed in the lack of evidence despite searching for hours. I still think that the Gavin Arvizo trial didn't hold much weight, but Sneddon was so desperate to convict, that he ran with it.

 

[Abominatrix]

Oh the NABL
Oh the NAMBLA book he claimed was sent by a fan.I think that was all that was found, right? I never heard of anymore. I studied that 2005 trial hard back in the day. The 2005 trial really struggled with any physical evidence to convict, especially in regards to any indecent images on laptops/ computers. I think Sneddon was quite disappointed in the lack of evidence despite searching for hours. I still think that the Gavin Arvizo trial didn't hold much weight, but Sneddon was so desperate to convict, that he ran with it.

No, actually, not just the NAMBLA book. Please forgive me for not being fully versed on the defense of this pedophile, here's what the Google AI had to say. I'm sure you can look up the same and follow the citations.

 

[Web30]

Oh the NABL
Oh the NAMBLA book he claimed was sent by a fan.I think that was all that was found, right? I never heard of anymore. I studied that 2005 trial hard back in the day. The 2005 trial really struggled with any physical evidence to convict, especially in regards to any indecent images on laptops/ computers. I think Sneddon was quite disappointed in the lack of evidence despite searching for hours. I still think that the Gavin Arvizo trial didn't hold much weight, but Sneddon was so desperate to convict, that he ran with it.

From watching the Netflix doc, it seemed like it was the child psycotrist that gavin was sent to that thought he had been abused and thats why the police got involved. I always thought it was his mum that reported it. Sounds like ideas were planted, again no evidence was found.

 

[Upintheair83]

No, actually, not just the NAMBLA book. Please forgive me for not being fully versed on the defense of this pedophile, here's what the Google AI had to say. I'm sure you can look up the same and follow the citations.

I forgive you don't worry, but I do think its a good idea to get all the evidence involved instead of selected parts, after all that is what the justice system is for- to look at the evidence. You can't just convict someone because you 'think' they did it. Jeez, every weirdo would be in jail and alot of innocent people serving time.
So the book you screenshot here, is the NAMBLA book I'm talking about. And the magazines were porn magazines (heterosexual and homosexual) , that you can find in newsagents. They were used as evidence because Gavins fingerprints were on them, and they said that it was part of Jacksons grooming (that he allowed Gavin access to porn magazines).
And as far as I'm aware, no indecent images of children were found on any devices, I'm sure we would have heard all about them and what category they were if he had- it would have been headline news.

 

[Upintheair83]

From watching the Netflix doc, it seemed like it was the child psycotrist that gavin was sent to that thought he had been abused and thats why the police got involved. I always thought it was his mum that reported it. Sounds like ideas were planted, again no evidence was found.

I think the backlash from the documentary caused a snowball effect. After all, the footage of Gavin resting his head on his shoulder was very alarming and MJ hardly came across as a stable adult in the whole thing.

 

[Web30]

I think the backlash from the documentary caused a snowball effect. After all, the footage of Gavin resting his head on his shoulder was very alarming and MJ hardly came across as a stable adult in the whole thing.

Yes, just had a google and those clips are what made his school intervene.
The thing I don't get is with the dates, the "abuse" wasnt meant to happen till months after this was filmed and aired, when Michael invited the family back to neverland to get away from the press, why would he then molest him with all the speculation going on, it doesnt make sense.

 

[Miss Havisham]

Lots of manipulation on MJ’s part - but also downright arrogance and entitlement. Perhaps that comes down to being a global superstar, and not an ordinary Joe.

The marriage to Lisa Marie Presley (that lasted months), just after the initial allegations. Bizarre that LMP went through with it, when she must have known that she was being manipulated - perhaps she wasn’t in a good place.

It would be no surprise, if false allegations are mixed in with actual abuse. The families involved were willing to hand their children over to an adult man, because he was rich and famous (so very money driven) - it seems inevitable that they could make allegations regardless.
But still, it continued - having boys sleeping with him, unsupervised by another adult. Despite allegations it continued (much to the horror of MJs advisers and associates).
I feel that this was manipulation. In plain sight and the feeling / belief that he was above everybody else - and everything / anything can be bought.

Evidence that a child has accessed pornography in an adults home is a raging red flag and abusive in itself. It’s a known tool by paedophiles to manipulate, groom and abuse children for their own needs.

 

[Libertine1975]

Lots of manipulation on MJ’s part - but also downright arrogance and entitlement. Perhaps that comes down to being a global superstar, and not an ordinary Joe.

The marriage to Lisa Marie Presley (that lasted months), just after the initial allegations. Bizarre that LMP went through with it, when she must have known that she was being manipulated - perhaps she wasn’t in a good place.

It would be no surprise, if false allegations are mixed in with actual abuse. The families involved were willing to hand their children over to an adult man, because he was rich and famous (so very money driven) - it seems inevitable that they could make allegations regardless.
But still, it continued - having boys sleeping with him, unsupervised by another adult. Despite allegations it continued (much to the horror of MJs advisers and associates).
I feel that this was manipulation. In plain sight and the feeling / belief that he was above everybody else - and everything / anything can be bought.

Evidence that a child has accessed pornography in an adults home is a raging red flag and abusive in itself. It’s a known tool by paedophiles to manipulate, groom and abuse children for their own needs.

I've not read it but I understand LMP in her book has said that MJ and LMP were meeting up for like 4 years after the divorce to see if they could make things work between them.

 

[Web30]

I've not read it but I understand LMP in her book has said that MJ and LMP were meeting up for like 4 years after the divorce to see if they could make things work between them.

Yes I have heard the same, they stayed close friends. Her daughters said in interviews she remembers it as a real relationship

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Yes I have heard the same, they stayed close friends. Her daughters said in interviews she remembers it as a real relationship

LMP was completely broken after he died. She stayed with his coffin after everyone left. Theres a photo

 

[Upintheair83]

Yes I have heard the same, they stayed close friends. Her daughters said in interviews she remembers it as a real relationship

Her interview with Oprah after MJs passing gets buried abit under other quotes of LMP. But she clearly adored him, and was so upset she couldn't save him in the end. She said any anger she had towards him had subsided.
Abit off topic but ..
I always thought it fascinating that she once told the story about when she was little. her and her father were at the breakfast table and Elvis saw someone on the TV he didnt like. He got his shotgun out and fired straight at the telly!
She always said that whe was the only one who truly could understand the level of fame that MJ and her dad had and just now bizzare and unconventional their lives were as a result.

 

[Miss Havisham]

She married him days after the divorce from her previous husband - with her mother warning against marrying him, concerned she was being used.

They divorced quickly - with LMP citing his controlling behaviour. It’s well documented that he was pressuring her into having children (she already had two) and she feared that she would be then dumped with a custody battle to follow. She said he was controlling and isolated her.

As for her maintaining a connection to him following the divorce, I’m sure there were complexities - but they were literally married for a year. Likely that the year that they were married, was not normal in any sense.

The overall impression is that she was used and also seemed vulnerable.

Not the first sham showbiz marriage - and certainly wasn’t the last.

 

[Abominatrix]

She married him days after the divorce from her previous husband - with her mother warning against marrying him, concerned she was being used.

They divorced quickly - with LMP citing his controlling behaviour. It’s well documented that he was pressuring her into having children (she already had two) and she feared that she would be then dumped with a custody battle to follow. She said he was controlling and isolated her.

As for her maintaining a connection to him following the divorce, I’m sure there were complexities - but they were literally married for a year. Likely that the year that they were married, was not normal in any sense.

The overall impression is that she was used and also seemed vulnerable.

Not the first sham showbiz marriage - and certainly wasn’t the last.

And ignoring all the showbiz stuff - a serial child predator snagging up a newly divorced woman with serious daddy issues and then him controlling and manipulating her into having children... Just seems like a nasty set up.

Wouldn't be the first time on that mess either, I've seen in happen irl - my good friend was targeted because her mother was extremely vulnerable and had been abused in her youth herself. That predator smell opportunity all over that family, and my friend wound up being drugged and sexually abused over the next 4 years, starting when she was 12.

Her abuser was also, of course, backed by his family who then harassed her for years, calling her a liar and a manipulative slut. So watching people cape for MJ, when he's broadcast his predatory ways again and again and again, is twisted as hell. He's a textbook pedalo, at the time one of the richest, most powerful, and most famous people in the world, people worshipped him.

But yeah, nothing to see here folks. He just didn't have a childhood

 

[Midsummer Son]

It’s well-known that MJ was obsessed with Elvis, who was the first global star and the MJ of his day. I think his marriage to Lisa Marie was an attempt to have a part of Elvis for himself so to speak, almost like collecting a living part of him. And he probably relished the status/idea of the King of Pop being married to the daughter of the King of Rock n Roll.

Regarding the jury clearing MJ, I don’t think anyone reasonable would consider that an unbiased trial. The jurors were clearly starstruck with MJ and he was also still incredibly famous and beloved. Let’s be real, a large Dave from down the road accused of the same crimes would have been convicted without a doubt.

 

[Midsummer Son]

And ignoring all the showbiz stuff - a serial child predator snagging up a newly divorced woman with serious daddy issues and then him controlling and manipulating her into having children... Just seems like a nasty set up.

Wouldn't be the first time on that mess either, I've seen in happen irl - my good friend was targeted because her mother was extremely vulnerable and had been abused in her youth herself. That predator smell opportunity all over that family, and my friend wound up being drugged and sexually abused over the next 4 years, starting when she was 12.

Her abuser was also, of course, backed by his family who then harassed her for years, calling her a liar and a manipulative slut. So watching people cape for MJ, when he's broadcast his predatory ways again and again and again, is twisted as hell. He's a textbook pedalo, at the time one of the richest, most powerful, and most famous people in the world, people worshipped him.

But yeah, nothing to see here folks. He just didn't have a childhood

I’ve always hated the “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse. Two things can be true, he had a tit childhood but still ended up a päedo. The childhood abuse can explain his adult behaviour but it doesn’t excuse it. Adult MJ had an adult mind, he wasn’t trapped as a psychological child. He knew how to manipulate, lie and take advantage of his fame to get parents to part with their children. Didn’t he even have alarms that would let him know if people were approaching his room? Yes, he was damaged and it’s known that abused people often end up as abusers themselves, but that’s still a choice they make.

 

[shellie]

No videos it seems, just lots of pictures.

There were videos..naturist videos which were often used to get around things back in the day. Someone who worked with him said he was asked to remove stuff including catalogues of videos he requested and it was always ones with naked children in them.

As for the pictures, during the trial, quite a few news stations reporting about it, got hold of the some of the books taken from his house including the one they claim is 'art'. I watched a few clips back then and they are still online now if you look around. If anyone else had books of pictures with young lads naked and their legs spread....

 

[Abominatrix]

I’ve always hated the “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse. Two things can be true, he had a tit childhood but still ended up a päedo. The childhood abuse can explain his adult behaviour but it doesn’t excuse it. Adult MJ had an adult mind, he wasn’t trapped as a psychological child. He knew how to manipulate, lie and take advantage of his fame to get parents to part with their children. Didn’t he even have alarms that would let him know if people were approaching his room? Yes, he was damaged and it’s known that abused people often end up as abusers themselves, but that’s still a choice they make.

My heart aches for the child MJ once was, and same with all the Jackson children, who didn't really have a healthy childhoods at all. But as you say, that's no excuse for any of this. He then went and took the childhoods and innocence of others, as many abused people do.

Bless the ones with empathy and inner strength, who would rather choke on glass than visit that kind of evil upon a child, because they know exactly what it means to survive that nightmare.

 

[GingerSquid]

Naked child videos??!! Where have you seen this evidence? Iv never heard or read that he was found with naked child videos.

Latest doc on Netflix. They show things that were found in the investigation and testimonials etc .. unless you think there is a conspiracy and it’s all been planted etc it’s pretty damming. I was a huge MJ fan and desperately wanted it all to not be true; but now I think he suffered SA as a child and went on to be an abuser himself.

 

[Web30]

Naked child videos??!! Where have you seen this evidence? Iv never heard or read that he was found with naked child videos.

I believe a magazine was found in a briefcase with videos circuled that people could order, but no actual videos found.

 

[Ivegone]

It’s well-known that MJ was obsessed with Elvis, who was the first global star and the MJ of his day. I think his marriage to Lisa Marie was an attempt to have a part of Elvis for himself so to speak, almost like collecting a living part of him. And he probably relished the status/idea of the King of Pop being married to the daughter of the King of Rock n Roll.

Regarding the jury clearing MJ, I don’t think anyone reasonable would consider that an unbiased trial. The jurors were clearly starstruck with MJ and he was also still incredibly famous and beloved. Let’s be real, a large Dave from down the road accused of the same crimes would have been convicted without a doubt.

But couldn't any jury who liled any popstar do this but p diddy is in prison how many other celebs have been in prison