Michael Jackson

[Prince fan 1999]

My take on MJ is this - he was an incredibly talented, driven person. Probably because of his daddy issues.

He wanted to be the biggest star in the world and he was,

I think apart from one nose job he always denied he'd had any plastic surgery. Which is crazy cos his whole face changed. So we know he didn't always tell the truth about himself.

Regarding the allegations for me it's simple. After the chandler lawsuit and toll that investigation must have taken on him - why did he carry on being involved with wee boys??? Common sense tells you to stay away from them.

Even if you've done nothing wrong and only have the best intentions towards these kids, surely as the biggest star in the world with a "brand" to protect, some level of self preservation would kick in??? But it didn't. Very strange.

But the fact is if you think MJ is innocent, you're not gonna change your mind. Same as if you think he's guilty.

Personally I think he was a total oddball that I wouldn't let anywhere near my kids. But if I had a son who liked singing and dancing and the biggest star in the world said they could help him, would I change my mind???

And 2 final things, this one is especially for UK tattlers - if you believe MJ is innocent after paying out cash to the Chandlers, do you also think the Artist formerly known as Prince Andrew is also innocent as he paid out a civil claim, which was raised during the platinum jubilee???

And lastly - who's Bigi!!!

Bigi is blanket. I feel Michael isn't a pedalo. He was a desperately lonely person who put himself in situations for others to take advantage of him personally.

 

[andromeda17]

I need to finish the show but I had to google when the Gavin abuse allergiedly happened. If this is correct it was after the documentary aired... why would he abuse Gavin while the press were after him for the sleeping in the bed accusations.

they actually changed their dates of abuse multiple times before it went to trial. Initially they claimed it happened pre-documentary but a video was found of them behind the scenes of the documentary talking extremely positive about Michael which they couldn’t explain away. They also claimed they were ‘held hostage’ at Neverland but again, they found that the mother went for a bikini wax and to the dentist during the time they claimed they were being held hostage so all the dates got shifted to after the documentary .

They also said there was a conspiracy for Michael to ‘get rid’ of them by sending them to Brazil in a hot air balloon. This is all mentioned in the court transcripts. The mother was charged with Fraud after this case, as the mj case actually flagged the fact she was claiming welfare checks whilst concealing her income sources. They also continually fundraised for money for Gavins chemo, whilst they actually had insurance which covered all his medical care. Jay Leno, Chris Tucker and a few other celebrities took the stand saying this family tried to get money out of them too.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I think he had a god like complex. You only have to look back and see how he walked around with the umbrella, he wants three kids, he got them, he wants a playground built for him in his house, done, he wants to change his skin colour, ok we can make that happen. I don’t buy all that child like behaviour with his “Peter Pan” stuff and his high pitched innocent voice and do believe he abused young boys. It can also be true he had a messed up childhood. He also did have some great songs. I don’t think he would get away with it these days

The umbrella was because of his vitiligo. The vitiligo was the reason for the skin change.

 

[Tangerine Cat]

I cannot listen to his music because he was a pedalo. He paraded his favorite child stars around like trophies. I also feel he messed with Lisa Marie Presleys son.

Interesting thought. He had mental health problems and committed suicide didn’t he? I guess we’ll never know if there’s any truth in that or it was the result of being born into vast wealth without any purpose in life.

 

[uwu]

You know that for a FACT do you?

Also from what I understand this documentary focuses around 4 boys. All of who ‘came out of the woodwork’ years and years ago and their parents took money to be silenced didn’t they???

I'd like to add that it was MJ's insurance company that paid them, he didn't want to give them anything but they said it was better for him to just pay them rather than fight. Probably the worst thing he could of done looking back if he really was innocent of these claims.

 

[shellie]

Saw this today:

FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn’t running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men, files show

The FBI pored over Jeffrey Epstein’s bank records and emails

www.independent.co.uk

I wonder what his fans who claim 'the FBI tailed him for years and found nothing' as well as 'They would never look the other way/take bribes to say he was innocent.' are saying now?

 

[Ivegone]

I feel like it's more to do with people being blinded by a celebrity and being star struck. Maybe people think famous people are more trustworthy than your average joe.

But they are still strangers

 

[Prince fan 1999]

He said he slept on the floor, that part always gets missed out / glossed over

Yep

 

[Web30]

If nothing has come out in 17 years,it ain't coming out now.

Exactly, no actaul evidence has ever been found. Any eye witnesses to these events have been discretetred, accuses have to many inconsistencys in thier story's to be credible etc..

 

[Prettylittleliar29]

I’m very torn by the whole thing....Wade robson is a known liar! He burnt a lot of bridges with people MJ introduced him too he only came out with all these allegations after he was dropped as choreographer on the this is it tour..up until that point he sang MJs praises...but fishy if you ask me.

 

[Web30]

Ok I’ve not watched this yet but my opinion right now.

These two guys I wouldn’t trust and the documentary seems to be based around them more than anything? Stories and accusations that were told/made were made with no way to prove if they were true, as there was only 2 people involved every time. The 2 guys were in contact behind the scenes before the documentary came out am I right?
And this seems off. It also looks like the director had in his mind what way he wanted this to go, so his narrative was always going to be that the abuse happened. Regardless of facts.

Apparently none of the Jackson family were given the chance to speak out or be involved in the documentary? I don’t think they could make much of a difference but I do think they should have had the chance to speak.
I’m on the fence on this one because of the people involved and how sketchy they seem.
Like @Web30 has said, if you can’t trust the source it’s hard to believe the facts.
Interested to see if my opinion changes after watching it.

Iv now seen the second part and it hasnt changed what i thought. I enjoyed it when wade said "i was abused till i was 14" about 10 mins after he claims MJ tried to have sex with him at 16. Lie right thier!

 

[uwu]

Ok I’ve not watched this yet but my opinion right now.

These two guys I wouldn’t trust and the documentary seems to be based around them more than anything? Stories and accusations that were told/made were made with no way to prove if they were true, as there was only 2 people involved every time. The 2 guys were in contact behind the scenes before the documentary came out am I right?
And this seems off. It also looks like the director had in his mind what way he wanted this to go, so his narrative was always going to be that the abuse happened. Regardless of facts.

Apparently none of the Jackson family were given the chance to speak out or be involved in the documentary? I don’t think they could make much of a difference but I do think they should have had the chance to speak.
I’m on the fence on this one because of the people involved and how sketchy they seem.
Like @Web30 has said, if you can’t trust the source it’s hard to believe the facts.
Interested to see if my opinion changes after watching it.

I watched 1 hour of it so far and it sounds like a badly written fan fiction. I also totally agree with your whole post. We will never really know the truth and I'm not going to vindicate someone when they can't stand up for themselves and when no evidence was found that would point them being a child molester.

 

[Libertine1975]

I get conflicted about the historic sexual abuse cases.

I think we all knew there was something about Jimmy Savile which was sinister.

The artist formerly known as Prince Andrew I'm not saying he didn't know or do anything but I also don't believe that people should be considered guilty by association.

Michael Jackson I find difficult. I verge more towards innocence. I think he had a shit childhood, he was beaten and was working from the age of 5. He was more in the spotlight than a lot of other "child stars" who have had issues. I think he came across as sincere and honest when he speaks about the allegations. Other people around him didn't see that side to him including Culkin and Feldman (who has spoken for years about abuse in Hollywood).

So my heart wants to believe that he is innocent and he built Neverland and wanted to be around children to experience a childhood he never had.

Ultimately he was made to settle the 1993 case and was aquitted in 2005. I think there are problems with the accounts of his accusers and the settlement of the case in 1993 probably has made it easier to convince people of his guilt.

Having seen a lot on social media the past couple of weeks after the movie the press were absolute scum to him. Meghan Markle talks about being trolled but the 1990s press were just vile and I'm not sure that Michael and his team really knew how to deal with it. He never denied having children stay at Neverland even in his bedroom, you wouldn't get a celebrity saying anything remotely close to that now. Was this being him playing the press or being naive?

I want to believe people who claim abuse but I also find that difficult at times because it is so hard to prove or disprove either way. Are the people coming out now just wanting a payday as the estate has become so valuable? It seems like they have had financial issues and during his life Michael was used as a but of a cash cow.

The whole situation is just sad. Either the most talented artist we have had abused his position or his kindness and being somewhat naive has allowed bad actors to tarnish his reputation for both his fans and, perhaps more importantly, his children.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

It only goes up to Bad era as far as im aware anyway.
Going to see it at the weekend and really hope its not a let down but heard good things from fans.

Just out from seeing it. I loved it. Jafar is amazing. Some funny parts too.

 

[Youtubegossip]

I think you’re getting really worked up, people are allowed to express a different opinion and nobody, NOBODY is saying the acts or stories or accusations are right ??‍
It’s a conversation about the people involved including the director, the “victims” and Michael Jackson himself.
Nobody can say 1000000% if it’s truth or lies. Only what we believe.
It’s a good conversation to have.

I’m not worked up at all. I’m happy for peoples opinions as I am an all threads. No one has to agree.

The reason I mentioned Jimmy Saville was because someone said if a person is dead their alleged crimes should be laid to rest with them which I disagree with and as per your point here we’re all allowed difference of opinions.

Ps. 1000000% isn’t a thing. Max is 100% ? that’s tongue in cheek incase I have to clarify

 

[Web30]

Also wades mum was crazy, she left half her family to move to LA thinking she could make wade a star.. She was upset when michael seemed to have dropped them and hadnt payed for thier appartment ?

 

[annanuttall]

The Independent (article): I knew Michael Jackson – the truth about his life won’t be uncovered https://archive.ph/L9rPN

 

[Mayday]

I'm not really sure what to believe. Apparently Macaulay Culkin & Corey Feldman have both defended Michael Jackson again. I think they've always said their relationship with him was innocent. I feel like if it was otherwise they would've said - especially once he died. Corey has been going on about making his own documentary on paedos in Hollywood for years (he even set up a fundraiser at some point) but nothing has come of it.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Very good point.

People will still insist that he was guilty based on what they’ve read and seen in the media. Never mind what happened in a court of law that found him innocent.

Agreed. It's getting worse as the years go on, especially with AI now. The press are already running a photo of him with a boy. The boy has been photoshopped in a photo of Michael with an arm outstretched, showing his vitiligo in the original photo There was no boy. It's relentless now. I'm glad people are seeing how they are manipulating they are now.

 

[Piff paff puff]

Bigi is his double. They are his kids no matter what.. would you tell someone who can’t have children and adopted that they are not their kids.

I'd you are asking me whether I would tell an adopted person they are adopted if I knew and they didn't and they wanted to know, that would depend on the situation. Nothing will convince me they are MJs bio children but ofc I don't know as I don't know them and I don't know what they know about it all.