Bigi is blanket. I feel Michael isn't a pedalo. He was a desperately lonely person who put himself in situations for others to take advantage of him personally.
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Oh MJ was a raging pon, just like Epstein, who had the finances, and power to buy people off. The actual shiver I get when you watch the Bahir interview and see him gleefully admitting to sharing a bed with a boy of 12 with cancer and talking in depth about it. Ugh. Those books of naked children the FBI found that he called “art”. Sick b. When you see about the court, the jurors jamming to his music etc as it’s played it court. It’s a farce
but the parents should’ve been accountable as well. duck pay outs, they should’ve been in trouble. At what point are you trafficking your own child by letting them sleep in a 40 year old man’s bed? Especially after previous allegations.
but the parents should’ve been accountable as well. duck pay outs, they should’ve been in trouble. At what point are you trafficking your own child by letting them sleep in a 40 year old man’s bed? Especially after previous allegations.
He said he slept on the floor, that part always gets missed out / glossed over
How about you watch some of the other documentaries instead of the Netflix one?
Where he actually slept is not a great concern. The concern is an adult wanting to have children alone with him in those circumstance - it can’t be normalised.
It’s not like they had nowhere else to sleep and he was taking them in for the night. It was blatant predatory behaviour.
MJ was also a known liar.
It’s not like they had nowhere else to sleep and he was taking them in for the night. It was blatant predatory behaviour.
MJ was also a known liar.
Right, because it’s perfectly normal for an adult man to share a room with a young boy he is not related to. Ugh.
Well he wasn't perfectly normal was he? You forgot to mention his "bedroom" was the size of a normal person's 2 up 2 down house.
He certainly wasn’t normal, and the size of his bedroom isn’t relevant - that was more a reflection of his wealth.
He wanted access to other people’s children overnight, when other adults were not present. I agree, that that is not normal.
Wow. I’ve heard all the excuses for clearly predatory behaviour. He was ‘unique’, ‘special’, ‘child-like’ etc. The size of the room he was sharing with multiple underage boys is sinking to a new low however.
Iv said on here before, there wasn't a bigger MJ fan than me- I even named my son after him. When I was little I never believed the allegations, however since I became a mum and iv got older I have changed my view on some things. I now look at his need and desire to hang around with so many kids as really concerning and unhealthy. But then I do stop and think about his own upbringing. He was born in Gary Indiana, and the house he shared with all his brothers and sisters only had 2 bedrooms. They shared beds and so his memories of his 'normal' childhood would have held this core memory, hence his insistence on sharing a bed being 'normal' I feel sorry for Michael as a little boy because he was a little boy that should have been protected, like most children stars. But instead he was beaten by his dad, forced to be the perfect performer, dragged around sketchy clubs and then sold to the highest bidders. He didnt have peers around him to have a benchmark for social development, he was around older men in the music business. Men with money and power, who promised him 'i can make you the biggest star' ...He was a little black boy in a country and time that was still dealing with racism quite heavily. Iv always believed that he most probably was sexually abused as a child- and I think as he entered his later teenage years his hormones and trauma of that caused him to be withdrawn and developed his 'weirdness' that we see in later life. He obviously never dealt with the trauma and because he became so powerful and wealthy he did what he wanted and there was no one there for him to answer to. And because of his success from an early age I really don't think we can compare him to a normal person. He was the most famous man on earth, reclusive and surrounded by sycophants. Can you imagine how this develops your personality? He would have been a raging narcissist for a start. And I think that unfortunately, all of these issues and his arrested development were displayed in his weirdness.i also think his skin disorder and his plastic surgery made his outer appearance seem just as bizzare as his personality which didn't help the public to understand him. We couldn't understand him because he was so far removed from our own lives.
But my heart breaks for that little boy that he once was. If we can have sympathy for his alleged victims, surely we must extend our sympathy to him as a little boy. They were all victims.
Do I think he was a PDF? I think he always displayed red flags, you would be silly to think he didn't. There's no way I'd have allowed my son around him. Did he act on his PDF feelings? Again, who knows. I wasnt there. I don't find many of his accusers credible- there are too many holes jn their testimony and they always seem to go after the money. If someone came out who didn't have anything to gain financially then I would find that more concerning. I never liked his protestations that he 'never hurt a child' I'd have much preferred him to say 'I never sexually abused a child' and I always felt it quite telling that he was so emphatic with that statement 'I would kill myself before I hurt a child' because I believe he was being truthful here, he wouldn't ever physically hurt a child. It's almost like an admission of guilt in his denial. Because he doesn't actually address the sexual allegations does he? I'd love to see a statement analysis on his denials.
I think he made terrible decisions and had no emotional intelligence, he just acted like a grown toddler who demanded everything his own way. He didn't like to be told no.
If he was a PDF I dont think he ever believed he was one, I think he was in denial of a lot of things in his life. I find it sad that the most famous black man in the world, who paved the way for so many black artists ended up drug addicted and died as a result of it. Its the same story all over the world now....look at skid row...thousands upon thousands of men and women, who had abuse in childhood, who live and die for their next fix....Michael was just the same. Joe Jackson wanted so much more for his son, but look where he ended up.
But my heart breaks for that little boy that he once was. If we can have sympathy for his alleged victims, surely we must extend our sympathy to him as a little boy. They were all victims.
Do I think he was a PDF? I think he always displayed red flags, you would be silly to think he didn't. There's no way I'd have allowed my son around him. Did he act on his PDF feelings? Again, who knows. I wasnt there. I don't find many of his accusers credible- there are too many holes jn their testimony and they always seem to go after the money. If someone came out who didn't have anything to gain financially then I would find that more concerning. I never liked his protestations that he 'never hurt a child' I'd have much preferred him to say 'I never sexually abused a child' and I always felt it quite telling that he was so emphatic with that statement 'I would kill myself before I hurt a child' because I believe he was being truthful here, he wouldn't ever physically hurt a child. It's almost like an admission of guilt in his denial. Because he doesn't actually address the sexual allegations does he? I'd love to see a statement analysis on his denials.
I think he made terrible decisions and had no emotional intelligence, he just acted like a grown toddler who demanded everything his own way. He didn't like to be told no.
If he was a PDF I dont think he ever believed he was one, I think he was in denial of a lot of things in his life. I find it sad that the most famous black man in the world, who paved the way for so many black artists ended up drug addicted and died as a result of it. Its the same story all over the world now....look at skid row...thousands upon thousands of men and women, who had abuse in childhood, who live and die for their next fix....Michael was just the same. Joe Jackson wanted so much more for his son, but look where he ended up.
I agree with everything you've posted apart from the pdf part. I honestly don't believe it. Every single accuser has been out for money in my honest opinion. None have been credible. Again,my opinion.
I have done. I’ve also done extensive journalism. Rewatch the clip, he never says he sleeps on the floor, and Gavin himself says Michael asks him to get in the bed with him and Michael laughs. How about you revise the content correctly before you defend a paedophile?How about you watch some of the other documentaries instead of the Netflix one?
He also wasnt alone with them, from other interviews the siblings or other kids that were round would stay in his room at the same time. Again something the media ignore.
With no other adults in his very large room / rooms.
Exactly. We should know by now how the media like to twist things. Has no one learnt anything? Ridiculous
Yes there were,and lots of other brothers,sisters and his cousins,all at the same time but you believe what the tabloids post. After all,they're gospel aren't they
I don’t know how many children were there on each occasion - and neither do you. Likely on some occasions one child, on others more.Yes there were,and lots of other brothers,sisters and his cousins,all at the same time but you believe what the tabloids post. After all,they're gospel aren't they
No, I don’t believe all of what the tabloids post and don’t believe that they are the gospel. I don’t believe much of what Michael Jackson said either. He was very manipulative and held a lot of power.
I don’t find any of it amusing, so don’t really get the laughing emojis.
Anyway,14 counts of not guilty so why are we still going on about it,17 years after his death FFS??
Because his behaviour was so suspicious (as well as abnormal) and he was very manipulative.Anyway,14 counts of not guilty so why are we still going on about it,17 years after his death FFS??
People will continue to talk about it, especially as information comes out over the years.
Perhaps not all of his accusers will be believed (and likely that some may be false), but many of them will be. Not all of them going to court - and some may never speak of it all.
Sexual assault (especially some time after the event) is sadly, very hard to prove. It’s a fact, that many cases don’t reach court - and if they do, proving guilt is not always straightforward.