Michael Jackson

[uwu]

Ok I’ve not watched this yet but my opinion right now.

These two guys I wouldn’t trust and the documentary seems to be based around them more than anything? Stories and accusations that were told/made were made with no way to prove if they were true, as there was only 2 people involved every time. The 2 guys were in contact behind the scenes before the documentary came out am I right?
And this seems off. It also looks like the director had in his mind what way he wanted this to go, so his narrative was always going to be that the abuse happened. Regardless of facts.

Apparently none of the Jackson family were given the chance to speak out or be involved in the documentary? I don’t think they could make much of a difference but I do think they should have had the chance to speak.
I’m on the fence on this one because of the people involved and how sketchy they seem.
Like @Web30 has said, if you can’t trust the source it’s hard to believe the facts.
Interested to see if my opinion changes after watching it.

I watched 1 hour of it so far and it sounds like a badly written fan fiction. I also totally agree with your whole post. We will never really know the truth and I'm not going to vindicate someone when they can't stand up for themselves and when no evidence was found that would point them being a child molester.

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

It's absolutely ridiculous! If it was Joe blogging down the street you would run a mile. I can't believe they allowed it

It is I'm glad it isn't just me. I thought I would be roasted for victim blaming but it's entirely the parents fault putting their kid in that position

 

[Youtubegossip]

I think you’re getting really worked up, people are allowed to express a different opinion and nobody, NOBODY is saying the acts or stories or accusations are right ??‍
It’s a conversation about the people involved including the director, the “victims” and Michael Jackson himself.
Nobody can say 1000000% if it’s truth or lies. Only what we believe.
It’s a good conversation to have.

I’m not worked up at all. I’m happy for peoples opinions as I am an all threads. No one has to agree.

The reason I mentioned Jimmy Saville was because someone said if a person is dead their alleged crimes should be laid to rest with them which I disagree with and as per your point here we’re all allowed difference of opinions.

Ps. 1000000% isn’t a thing. Max is 100% ? that’s tongue in cheek incase I have to clarify

 

[KawaiiAF]

Wow I had no idea Joe Jackson sexually abused his children. WTF now it all makes sense. I always said Michael must have been sexually abused as child he learnt it from somewhere, I assumed his father beat him and producers abused him possibly but now I see it was WAY more than that. Is that the only way he thought love was? Wow. So many of the Jackson 5 spoke about the abuse and yet Joe didn't go to jail?!

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Again it will be defended but I want everyone who does to answer this...if it came out Michael Jackson the plumber who lived down the street was having strange kids in his bed and tons of pictures of them half naked were found., would they rush to defend him?

Furthermore, would they let their own kids be alone with him.....it's funny the amount of supporters who swear he is innocent that either refuse to answer this or try and change the subject when asked because you know there is no way they would be fine with it but if they admitted that, it tells you all you need to know.

The parents were also groomed

 

[Magwitch]

Well hang on I don't think he's innocent either but I don't think you can take Popbitch as indisputable fact

No of course not, but these were widely known stories.

 

[Zozzat]

I've seen a lot of interviews and articles post this documentary..and I'm convinced it's all about money. Wade and James definitely lying. Hopefully the truth will come out one day and clear Michaels name x

 

[skysky101]

But they are still strangers

They are known people to the public, people feel like they know them. Michael was and still is one of the most famous people in the world. That can unfortunately cause people to have bad judgement. But yes the blame lies with the parents.

 

[Mayday]

I'm not really sure what to believe. Apparently Macaulay Culkin & Corey Feldman have both defended Michael Jackson again. I think they've always said their relationship with him was innocent. I feel like if it was otherwise they would've said - especially once he died. Corey has been going on about making his own documentary on paedos in Hollywood for years (he even set up a fundraiser at some point) but nothing has come of it.

 

[Ivegone]

They are known people to the public, people feel like they know them. Michael was and still is one of the most famous people in the world. That can unfortunately cause people to have bad judgement. But yes the blame lies with the parents.

I mean he could you know not let kids sleep over but I'm sure he didn't kidnap these kids and asked permission so yes everyone failed to safeguard these kids

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I took it as a tongue in cheek comment

 

[Hepaticus]

I just watched it and urgh, it was sickening. I believe Safechuck and Robson. I think (in Robson’s case) just because he’s a known liar doesn’t mean he can’t tell the truth, and in Safechuck’s case he is just hollowed. I watched bits of the Oprah interview before the documentary and looking back it again after hearing his testimony you can visibly see he’s curled in on himself.

They talk of the conflict of deeply loving and wanting to protect Jackson and not recognising their abuse for what it was until they could put it into context as an adult and parent. Robson also talks about the 2014 lawsuit as wanting the same forum to replay the 2003 one to put it “right” - that makes sense in terms of what we know about survivor guilt and wanting to reinact rescue scenarios. In 2003 he was trying to rescue Jackson and in 2014 he was trying to rescue other victims. It just all seems psychologically plausible.

I the case of chandler saying Jackson was circumcised when he wasn’t, without wanting to be too graphic I guess it’s possible for a 13 year old to understand that to be the case when seeing an erect adult penis with the foreskin pulled back and glans exposed.

I can understand people having difficulty believing Jackson would carry out such things, though. It’s a huge thing to reconcile.

Yes and there were a few things they said which it would unlikely for them to conjure up from their own imaginations, although I suppose they could have spoken to child abuse victims and read reflective writings of victims. That ability to still love your abuser deeply, to envy their current victims in a way. The way their lives spiralled particularly after having children and that inner battle as to why they feel horror at the thought of their own child being abused but not feeling that about themselves. Then their feelings towards their own mothers. And the fallout among each family.

If they’ve faked it they’ve done some deep, deep research. But I guess you might if you wanted huge amounts of money.

 

[Horatio]

Actually that vanity fair article is a little different and very interesting. Really shows how much protection his money gave him. So sad too, those poor boys and their fathers.

This is the article I was referring to
https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/lea..._campaign=vulture&utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw

 

[Millennial Pink]

It is I'm glad it isn't just me. I thought I would be roasted for victim blaming but it's entirely the parents fault putting their kid in that position

I remember in the first documentary when at least one of them said that they had no relationship with their parent(s) any more, I just thought, 'yeah, that tracks'. The very idea of letting your kid have 'sleepovers' with an adult stranger, what the fuck. Did all the holidays and gifts make them lose all common sense?!

 

[Piff paff puff]

MJ pinched sooo many of those moves, and the addition of the little prince just sitting watching is eerie as feck.

This is giving me nightmares. I'm surprised this actor didn't sue MJ for stealing his act. Also MJ called one of his kids Prince and dyed one of their hair blond. Those kids of his got lucky. Came from a lab and set up for life.

 

[Web30]

I watched it, it added nothing new at all. Just felt like a reminder that this thing potentially happened. I still cannot bring myself to believe either of them. They’ve lied waaaay too much and changed stories too many times. I don’t think MJ was innocent but Wade especially is dodgy AF.

I get the fact why it’s thrown out, MJ Productions is not and never was Michael is was his business to run his music and tours therefore nothing to do with the situation so suing that for the hundreds of millions they’re asking for is kinda pointless - esp as MJ was broke so where is that money coming from???? It’s like suing the whole company because of a CEO, when it should be the CEO. Of whom is dead and cannot defend.

what has never added up to me, is how the FBI watched MJ for years, tapped in on everything and found absolutely nothing, not a shred of evidence… it’s just odd!

That's the thing with me, no evidence was ever found. Neverland was torn apart when the second accusation came out and nothing found to suggest anything had happened.

 

[Reality_tv_lover]

Plenty of people have shitty childhoods with horrible abuse.

That’s no excuse to welcome and encourage little kids into your bed. Mostly male kids.

MJ had a type for his muses, he didn’t abuse all of them, just the ones he thought he would be able to.

Not all paedophiles will abuse all kids they have access to, there are carefully selected victims.

MJ’s abuse of kids was so normal he felt able to say multiple times how natural it is to share his bed with kids, under guise of Slumber Party.

Parents who were stupid or vulnerable enough to be paid off welcomed invitations from MJ for their sons to share his bed. Grooming takes many forms.

A CSA or SA victim always has a time when they feel strong enough to tell. There could be a trigger such as parenthood, other victims speaking out, a trauma.

The MJ force is big, and they have money to keep any negativity suppressed. The fan cult who will threaten and terrorize, are reasons not to speak out.

For sure there are other victims out there. MJ found young boys attractive. His marriage to LM was a sham. And he never had sex with Debbie Rowe.

Ugh.

Yeah as a parent of two boys what the fuck are the parents doing letting their kids stay with him?

 

[MsPelzer]

pedalo

 

[Rocket Queen]

Just back from seeing the film for the second time. Cinema was full

We went last night, cheeky Tuesday night Nando’s followed by Michael and cinema was full then too.

 

[shellie]

I actually don't think he did abuse the celebrity kids, or at least not all of them, because then he had credible people to defend him.

A lot of his supporters use Culkin's defence of him as "proof" he never did anything.

Same. He cherry picked those who were poor so he could throw money at the parents to get them out of the way.

As for Macaulay, he was one of those who let slip about the extra security in his hallway which would warn him if anyone was near his bedroom. Unsurprisingly, that is one thing they don't believe.