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Taylor777

cashedupbogan said:
Why over exaggerate the hours of birth, when my sister had her babies, sure she was taken in a few hours earlier but if you ask her how long she was in labour?
1 hour is her answer
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It’s a very strange flex. I mean she could have said she was in active labour for 15-18 hrs which is the truth and it’s not nothing, but it’s in the realm of normal or regular. But, given many women have light labour pains for a couple of days before actually getting to active labour, 62 hrs would be normal for many. I am over 36 weeks at the moment and for the past few days have had some cramping pains, probably Braxton Hicks, but if I started counting now and then went into labour it would be longer than 62hrs. It’s just not a number you should count. If your able to exercise, do housework, eat, cook dinner, watch a movie, sleep, you are not in labour.
 
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DollyPollyDolly

Jessie says that breaking her leg was more painful than childbirth…. But… she also had an epidural. Could that have been a relevant factor. Christ.

At pains to point out how “easy” she finds it looking after the baby, and how she is “in heaven”. How easy and natural bf is for her.

Giiiiirl. I feel bad for new mums listening to this crap and thinking that this is an accurate description of childbirth and postpartum. I thought people had long since stopped bullshitting about the bliss of it all but not Jessie.

Holly and Mia (but particularly Holly) have spoken very honestly about new parenthood in the past. It was palpable how much side eye Holly would’ve been giving as Jessie banged on endlessly about how easy she has found it all.
 
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savefloss

screenfreelookatme said:
And no shame to anyone, but she made a huge deal out of the perfect timing so it sounds like she was trying to hold off, but actually she was in very early labour. People walk around for weeks at 3cm.
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I was literally teaching 6 year olds for an entire week at 3cm dilated and thought that level of pain was normal for the end of pregnancy love that she kept the epi on the down low til now. Thanks for the recap so I don’t have to endure listening to that drivel
 
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Sleepyapple

To be fair, someone can be contracting heavily and in a lot of pain but not progressing much while someone else could be walking around at 3cm and not feeling anything. I didn’t feel much until 6cm with my first, but I wouldn’t judge someone who felt more pain before that point. I have pretty crappy pregnancies with HG, so labour is the easy part for me. Definitely found the recap of the birth story amusing, though, and agree that her report of a 60 hour labour was highly exaggerated!
 
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cashedupbogan

When I saw the podcast in my feed I was like, do we really need just under an hour reliving your birth story?
 
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SydneyOG

The person that Newhere2 screenshots above is right. Everyone wants to talk about birth after having a baby. It is totally self indulgent to dedicate a whole podcast to it. Really surprised that Mia and Holly didn’t point this out to her. She will cringe in 5 years time.

They are getting a bit too much like the Kardashian’s in the over sharing
 
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Sleepyapple

Newhere2 said:
I'm glad not everyone sucks up to Jessie/Mia.
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Look, this might be unpopular, but I actually think it is perfectly okay for women to want to share their positive birth stories, and I strongly feel that it is unfair to suggest that a woman cannot do so for fear of upsetting someone else who had a traumatic experience. I am absolutely on board with content and/or trigger warnings, so that people can choose to avoid content that is triggering or upsetting for them. Of course we shouldn’t go around sharing our stories with others at random and without permission. However, many people enjoy listening to positive birth stories. I especially loved them prior to having my first child, and I still love listening to podcasts like Australian Birth Stories. Some will find them indulgent and that’s fine, but they have a place.

Many, many women have positive birth experiences and I don’t see why everything must be doom and gloom about birth. That leads to unnecessary fear and worry for new mums. I completely agree that Jessie warrants criticism for inflating the length of her labour etc, but if she or any other mum feels like they would relive their birth experience, that doesn’t take away from another person’s traumatic experience and their right to grieve that. Lots of women love pregnancy — but for me it is horrendous, endless nausea and vomiting with not a second of relief until the placenta is out. I’m not going to go around saying other women can’t share that they enjoyed their pregnancies, just because I have feelings of deep sadness around my own experiences. So I’m not sure why I can’t say that I’d happily give birth over again, because that has been the good part for me. I’ve had women who judged me for needing anti-emetics to survive pregnancy get up in arms and tell me I was silly for not having pain relief in labour.

I think the real issues arise where we don’t acknowledge that we have been fortunate in a certain domain and that others aren’t less successful etc because they’ve struggled. That’s probably more the issue with Jessie than her having a positive birth story.
 
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screenfreelookatme

Coffeee said:
Everyone is different. I was induced so from zero to full on contractions in a matter on minutes. Every two mins for 13 hrs and was only at 3cm..U better believe I got the bloody epidural at that point.
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Oh same I made to 6cm at 8 hours. I didn’t realise you were supposed to have breaks in between contractions until I did the labour class again when pregnant with my second . Totally different to this situation!

She’s talking as if labour isn’t that bad and she held off until the “perfect moment”, which was really just as soon as she got there. As soon as she couldn’t talk through contractions, which is when midwives usually say it’s time to head to hospital.

There’s no prize for labour. It’s not a competition. The whole “62 hours” and then simultaneously trying to say it was hard, but actually it wasn’t because she’s amazing is just ‍
 
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Coffeee

Hahaha yes, I had no idea either ! Just wondered how people do it when there was literally no time to catch my breath. Boo to being induced .

Ah I see, so soon as it got a little tough she was out. I started listening but lost interest .

The 62 hrs thing is just cringe. She's on that post birth high and telling all from the rooftops. Give it a few months.
 
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Taylor777

I agree with sharing positive birth stories but I do think people’s issue with Jessie is the attention seeking efforts, the inflating stories and everything being turned into self promotion. I would also add that during the telling of her story, all three of them ventured into valuing one type of birth over others. From someone who had really positive csection stories I am fully open and expressive of how wonderful they were for me, but it does seem that that is not accepted as “sharing” a positive story. It seems to be only one type of birth and it’s to e one that Jessie had. It does seem disingenuous by all three of them to talk about this birth as just one mother telling her story when it’s actually being used for a multiple of dollar making uses, as the “perfect” birth story. Would she be sharing it as openly if it wasn’t all she had dreamt of? Probably not.
 
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Sleepyapple

Oh yeah, for sure! My comments were more specifically around that one person who felt that it’s a slap in the face to say “you loved your birth and would relive that pain”. Jessie’s vibe is definitely… self inflating, I agree. The 62 hours labour thing is absolutely silly. In retrospect I probably had a day of contractions that I thought were just BH before my first birth, but I wouldn’t count that. I do know that I felt quite a high after my births and was keen to process them. I don’t think that’s awful, but it’s how you go about it. I’m sure if you’ve had a difficult birth, you need more time to process before talking.

Jessie and Mia irritate me, don’t get me wrong. I haven’t listened to the story in full and I’m sure some of it is insufferable and also knowing Mamamia contains inaccurate comments about labour (I’m still a bit bitter about the HG controversy recently). I’m a huge believer in the idea that any type of birth can be positive, the key is how the birthing person feels about it.
 
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Janeh

I am an avid reader of these threads and also a regular listener of Outloud. I adore Holly, I think she’s the star of the show and must have the patience of a saint to record a daily podcast with the other two.

I rarely comment on here but I genuinely cannot believe they called the podcast on Jessie’s birth an “emergency” podcast. Just unreal. They are supposed to be a news and media company, not podcastings answer to the Kardashians. I get recording the episode so quickly after the birth to capture it all, and the need to share her story but goodness gracious, it’s not the Wimbledon final, it didn’t need an emergency podcast immediately after the birth to capitalise on the situation. Listeners could have hung on for another month if they’d just recorded it and kept in the archives to go at a later date ffs.
 
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lifeispeachy

I’m just happy it was on a separate episode so I could hit delete straight away (and hope it doesn’t sneak up again through other eps)
 
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Newhere2

I feel so sorry for Holly. Outloud has literally become 'Mia's family news show.' Holly could go to any podcast anywhere and do well!
 
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