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Except the Tapas 7 all know something as well. Then Kate wouldn’t have to act up as „normal“.
So that’s 9 people who now have to act normal on a night out to waiters, staff, other diners…..knowing a small child they all knew and went on holiday with has been killed and her body hidden?
 
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I think it's possible they were drugging the kids so they could go out eating/drinking and they either accidentally gave her an overdose, or she had an accident from being sleepy/walking around.
This is what I've always thought right from the start. I don't think they would leave 3 children in a hotel without drugging them up on something, too much risk they would wake up otherwise. Nothing dangerous per se, probably some melatonin or whatever. They're doctors, they'd know what to give to just keep the kids asleep through the evening. It's not much different to parents giving their kids Medised back in the day, albeit a bit more calculated.

And then either an accidental overdose (perhaps because she'd woken up previously in the week), or more likely I think the reverse, they didn't give her enough, she woke up and wandered off through the unlocked door, and then fell, fatally injuring herself, or was hit by a car or who knows.

I don't think even the parents know what actually happened. But I definitely think they've not been entirely open and honest.
 
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Two things I’ve never been able to get my head round.
1. If she was killed earlier in the week, how is this explained by her being at the kids club? I’m sure I read somewhere someone saying they made out one of the other kids was her…..but that would mean then cancelling that actual child out of the kids club as they can’t be there twice, asking that child to pretend to be someone else and hoping they will go along with it, and assuming none of the staff would notice the different child that had a different name the day before.
2. Even if she was killed accidentally, as parents and especially as a mother, could you really go about your evening completely as normal with no one noticing a thing wrong about you after you have just accidentally killed your child and hidden her body? As far as I know Kate McCann has never been perceived as a complete psychopath so how could she possibly have done that?
Just my 2 pence worth.
I think the kids club thing was explained as the booklet showing kids being signed in and signed out was left out to write in by parents, something along those lines, and the statements from the club staff don’t definitively prove they saw her there so someone could have fabricated entries to make it look like she was at the club when she wasn’t.

And as for the second thing, I agree with you I don’t see how you could remain stoic if you’d accidentally killed your child and disposed of the body, but I would presume Kate and Gerry’s medical background might have added a sort of ‘distance’ to death iygwim. I am not sure I agree with that either but can understand why it’s used as justification.
 
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The child club staff were changed quite often and one of them was in fact the mccanns nanny. It was easy to sign children in and out as the records weren’t checked and the staff weren’t ensuring children were being taken home by the parents either. Also Kate’s own dad said they were drugging their children. It was soon hushed and replaced with ‘ just calpol to help them sleep’. A drugged child could very clumsily try and walk to a window to call for mummy or daddy and have an accidental trip. They would lose their jobs and other children over neglected and drug use. Obviously they saw that as more important to protect than their actual daughter.
 
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If you accidently killed your child you wouldn't assume that you'd go to prison for it. You'd be innocent and you would think that everyone would believe you. I just don't buy the accidental death theroy. She was taken or she wondered off and was taken. But, and I've said this before, absolutely no chance they were checking those kids every 20 minutes or whatever they said .... my guess is that they were not checked at all and they actually have no idea when she disappeared
 
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If you accidently killed your child you wouldn't assume that you'd go to prison for it.
Perhaps not but if it transpired you were negligent and/or found to have been drugging the child in the lead up to the accident you would be looking at losing your medical licence. And not only is that your lucrative income, for people like that it’s virtually their entire identity not to mention social status.

Not saying it’s an explanation for anything but there was a hell of a lot riding on it for them, in a way it wouldn’t have been the case for people with other professions. Even more so if Gerry does have narcissistic tendencies.
 
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This is my theory as well, they would have had to go out for the planned dinner for it to look real that she had been taken. What would they have saif otherwise if they had been "home" all night.
They must be strange people to be able to go out for a meal knowing their child was dead whether it was accidental or not, surely most parents would feel so bad they wouldn't be able to eat a meal and socialise.
 
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I think it's possible they were drugging the kids so they could go out eating/drinking and they either accidentally gave her an overdose, or she had an accident from being sleepy/walking around.
Im sure i read they were in a book! It could have been kates but i fully remember reading about it.
 
I think it's possible they were drugging the kids so they could go out eating/drinking and they either accidentally gave her an overdose, or she had an accident from being sleepy/walking around.
The kids were definitely drugged. But I think the reasons why are unfortunately more sinister than them just wanting to go out for a meal. Mark Warner holidays offer a babysitting service - there was absolutely no reason for those children to have been left alone in an apartment like that. It wasn’t about the adults wanting a relaxing meal.
 
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We’ve just been abroad and one night there was an adults dance night on. We didn’t go because we didn’t have any childcare so our 10 yo came with us everywhere, which was fine. We got talking to a couple who went to the dance event and openly said they gave their kids calpol and put them to bed so they could go! Their kids were older than MM, think the eldest was 12, but still! Have we not learnt anything from this sad case? I personally wouldn’t risk it.
 
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We’ve just been abroad and one night there was an adults dance night on. We didn’t go because we didn’t have any childcare so our 10 yo came with us everywhere, which was fine. We got talking to a couple who went to the dance event and openly said they gave their kids calpol and put them to bed so they could go! Their kids were older than MM, think the eldest was 12, but still! Have we not learnt anything from this sad case? I personally wouldn’t risk it.
If they said that to you, I sincerely hope you reported that to the hotel and relevant authorities where you were staying?
 
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I believe the McCanns did it. Not on purpose, but Accidentally. They know what happened to her.
 
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I believe the McCanns did it. Not on purpose, but Accidentally. They know what happened to her.
Of course they did it. The real question is why have they been allowed to cover it up. What or who do they know. There is so much more to it than the death of a child.
 
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We’ve just been abroad and one night there was an adults dance night on. We didn’t go because we didn’t have any childcare so our 10 yo came with us everywhere, which was fine. We got talking to a couple who went to the dance event and openly said they gave their kids calpol and put them to bed so they could go! Their kids were older than MM, think the eldest was 12, but still! Have we not learnt anything from this sad case? I personally wouldn’t risk it.

Calpol does not make kids drowsy these days that ingredient isn't in it anymore.
 
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2. Even if she was killed accidentally, as parents and especially as a mother, could you really go about your evening completely as normal with no one noticing a thing wrong about you after you have just accidentally killed your child and hidden her body? As far as I know Kate McCann has never been perceived as a complete psychopath so how could she possibly have done that?
Just my 2 pence worth.
this is the part I can’t get my head around. I refuse to be Even the most narcissistic person could kill their child, dispose of the body and go out for a meal as if nothing happened. But also I can’t believe all 9 of them knew and 1- none of them have cracked over the years and confessed/ told someone and it been leaked and 2- all sat eating and drinking like it had never happened

Maybe I don’t understand it because my brain doesn’t work like that but just can’t wrap my head around it
 
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Surely people are aware how evil people can be, yet be well liked and well respected in society and can come across completely ‘normal’? Eg there are people who sell their babies and children to strangers for a few hours at a time or overnight. Many live their entire lives with zero repercussions. These people often have a way of finding each other as well, eg marriages and social circles. The documentary ‘tell me who I am’ springs to mind.

There is something clearly amiss with Gerry but I don’t think Kate’s that far behind, I think she’s just better at being the socially acceptable appearance of the grieving mother (which she is, after all - particularly if it was an accident - the guilt will be genuine).
 
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Gerry had a CATS file which is only opened if there is a history of abuse. Makes you wonder doesn’t it. I think Kate was naively tricked into covering it up, and I’m confident Gerry was/is a controlling aggressive bully behind closed doors and she was too scared to speak up. He would grip her hand tight during interviews if she said something he wasn’t happy about and there was a time she was photographed with bruises on her arms and cheek which was determined to be caused by being held down. He had friends in ‘high places’ prior to the incident. There’s no doubt in my mind what happened to poor Madeleine, backed up by police evidence not speculation, but sadly the majority of the country think the mccanns are innocent and a chancer took her from her bed.
There was a night calpol that made children drowsy which was removed from the shelves shortly after the ‘abduction’.
 
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The kids were definitely drugged. But I think the reasons why are unfortunately more sinister than them just wanting to go out for a meal. Mark Warner holidays offer a babysitting service - there was absolutely no reason for those children to have been left alone in an apartment like that. It wasn’t about the adults wanting a relaxing meal.
The fact that they were able to go out, supposedly relax and enjoy a meal while their babies slept in the apartment, speaks VOLUMES to me about the type of people they were.
They could have used the babysitting service, took turns with their friends babysitting, or even got their meal to takeaway. Instead they chose a selfish option and their kids suffered.
I don't have children but I become on edge even if my cat goes out and doesn't come back for half an hour.

Gerry had a CATS file which is only opened if there is a history of abuse. Makes you wonder doesn’t it. I think Kate was naively tricked into covering it up, and I’m confident Gerry was/is a controlling aggressive bully behind closed doors and she was too scared to speak up. He would grip her hand tight during interviews if she said something he wasn’t happy about and there was a time she was photographed with bruises on her arms and cheek which was determined to be caused by being held down. He had friends in ‘high places’ prior to the incident. There’s no doubt in my mind what happened to poor Madeleine, backed up by police evidence not speculation, but sadly the majority of the country think the mccanns are innocent and a chancer took her from her bed.
There was a night calpol that made children drowsy which was removed from the shelves shortly after the ‘abduction’.
I get the same nasty controlling sense off Gerry, he always controlled the narrative.

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Of course they did it. The real question is why have they been allowed to cover it up. What or who do they know. There is so much more to it than the death of a child.
Because they are 'respectable people' in many people's eyes being middle class doctors. Sorry to use the old cliche again but a working class couple would have been slaughtered far more quickly for it.

We’ve just been abroad and one night there was an adults dance night on. We didn’t go because we didn’t have any childcare so our 10 yo came with us everywhere, which was fine. We got talking to a couple who went to the dance event and openly said they gave their kids calpol and put them to bed so they could go! Their kids were older than MM, think the eldest was 12, but still! Have we not learnt anything from this sad case? I personally wouldn’t risk it.
Why are people so bloody selfish. Why bother having kids if you're going to do that, why take them on holiday. When you have kids you just can't do thr type of holiday you did in your 20s, yet some people try to. So selfish
 
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