CELESTE CROCKETT
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Nursed for 30 years from 1988
Even as a student nurse there were some very strange characters attracted to Nursing.
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Even as a student nurse there were some very strange characters attracted to Nursing.
Tobyonek
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I think that Karen Rees is going to go down the line of “I was manipulated by Lucy too…” blah blah which absolutely stinks because she should have maintained professional distance and objectivity and listened to what the consultants were actually saying to her as a manager not be socialising with LL. This is all so disgusting.
F1Grid
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She had almost 250, and had the majority of the ones with babies she murdered in a seperate bag. She kept some under her bed, and also moved some to her parents house where she never lived as a nurse.
She also kept handwritten notes she fished out of bins that other colleagues had written, and printed VBG results.
Forgetting to bin your notes is bad practice. LL is a murderer.
Times article about Karen Rees. Of course she believed (hoped!) Lucy was ‘innocent’!!! Worst thing that could happen to Karen Rees would be Lucy being found guilty as she now faces a ton of scrutiny that’s completely justified. Still not taking an ounce of responsibility though.
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She had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent
“I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”
Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.
Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”
It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.
When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.
Rees, who lives in north Wales, said she had understood that the most life-threatened babies had been placed in Letby’s care and that no performance problems had been raised until Brearey contacted her on June 24, 2016, demanding her removal. She said that the neonatal unit’s manager, Eirian Powell, had assured her that there were no concerns about Letby. Powell has not responded to requests for comment.
When approached before the verdict was delivered but after all the evidence in the trial had been heard, Rees’s sister-in-law, who lives next door to her, said that the former nursing director believed that Letby was innocent.
A source at the Countess of Chester said: “There are still a small number of people on the neonatal unit who think she is innocent. They are finding it difficult to believe she could have done it, because for so long they were fed the narrative that Letby was being blamed by consultants who were making excuses for their own mistakes.”
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She had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent
“I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”
Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.
Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”
It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.
When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.
Rees, who lives in north Wales, said she had understood that the most life-threatened babies had been placed in Letby’s care and that no performance problems had been raised until Brearey contacted her on June 24, 2016, demanding her removal. She said that the neonatal unit’s manager, Eirian Powell, had assured her that there were no concerns about Letby. Powell has not responded to requests for comment.
When approached before the verdict was delivered but after all the evidence in the trial had been heard, Rees’s sister-in-law, who lives next door to her, said that the former nursing director believed that Letby was innocent.
A source at the Countess of Chester said: “There are still a small number of people on the neonatal unit who think she is innocent. They are finding it difficult to believe she could have done it, because for so long they were fed the narrative that Letby was being blamed by consultants who were making excuses for their own mistakes.”
LittleMy
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I know masons was mentioned a few days ago. I can’t remember if it was joke but I don’t remember Stephen’s name either but I don’t think it’s a co-incidence that has been added to the article.
Dr Breary to Management: Please can you investigate these deaths/collapses and blame Lucy for them so the mistakes I and other consultants made are not uncoveredYa know the other bit of the scapegoat theory that makes 0 sense (not that any of it does but ya know) she was THE ONLY NURSE present at ALL these incidents/deaths and she didn’t raise one concern to anyone higher - nada. You can’t think she was being used as a scapegoat for a failing hospital when she didn’t even raise any concerns about said failings herself?? Especially when the only concerns that were being raised WERE ABOUT HER… make it make sense
Like it’s come out now it’s in black and white that the higher management covered up consultants concerns about her…how can you stick with a scapegoat theory
Management: No we are not interested. Just get on with your job.
Dr Breary: no please, I really need you to. I can’t have people thinking it was us and we need someone else to blame. Lucy is the perfect scapegoat.
Management: no we are not interested. Get on with your job.
Dr Breary: Please. You really need to call the police now. Lucy must be made the scapegoat, not me or my consultants. Please, we beg you.
Management: ok you can speak to the police
Dr Breary to police: I need you to know it wasn’t us or my colleagues that made these errors. It was Lucy. Please make sure your investigation only points the blame at Lucy. And make sure you charge her with murder and attempted murder.
Police: Ok. Happy to help.
How can anyone think that someone who is innocent would behave like this. I imagine you would be pissed off if you were innocent but surely you would be so bloody compliant and not make any fuss that would make people dislike you or view you negatively.The podcast mentions Letby didn’t want the female officer (Danielle Stonier) that did her police interview to be the one that read out her answers from the interviews to the court. She has some nerve - again that’s not someone that’s shy and meek, it’s a control freak that still thinks they’re superior despite being on trial for multiple baby murders.
Glad she didn’t get her own way. Hope it was torture for her
In my town, every girl who was a bully in my school and who was awful growing up, all became nurses.
I know people change and grow up and become better people, it's just weird to see people who gave you such a hard time growing up, now in this role
Hang on a minute, we have previously been missing some detail and now that article says Letby was suspended for two years, and it was after that Karen met her for coffee . So when did they suspend her, when they went to the police (May 2017) or after her first arrest (July 2018)?
This makes me think she’s saying she kept meeting her for coffee after her first arrest, whilst she was on bail until her third arrest when she was charged, as that was a two year period! I think that’s worse than the leaving party prior to arrest.
This makes me think she’s saying she kept meeting her for coffee after her first arrest, whilst she was on bail until her third arrest when she was charged, as that was a two year period! I think that’s worse than the leaving party prior to arrest.
Tilly Kister
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"Didn't bother filling in the paperwork to have it published"
Translation: She never submitted it. Almost certainly because her academic supervisor had returned it to her as unworthy (probably more than once as it took her 7 years not to get a PhD) with volumes of notes on how & why she needed to fix it and she wasn't capable of doing so.
Translation: She never submitted it. Almost certainly because her academic supervisor had returned it to her as unworthy (probably more than once as it took her 7 years not to get a PhD) with volumes of notes on how & why she needed to fix it and she wasn't capable of doing so.
IdeletedbutI'mbackagain
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Okay I am getting real sick of groups of people using the brutal murder of these babies by a serial killer to try and further their agendas.
It's boiling my piss at this point.
MmmB777
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You’re completely right, it is absolutely odd and inappropriate. It’s like with baby A, she describes knowing him. How?! She had only been on shift minutes. She really doesn’t get humans. Also, adding people on Facebook is totally inappropriate. I would have been fired for that as a teacher.
I would find it disconcerting if somebody had argued to be with my baby and been actually cross about it - but hindsight is a wonderful thing. These parents are in such a heightened state of vulnerability, they are much more susceptible to being tricked into feeling they’re being made extra specially taken care of.
The card is really horrifying. I think she was so cross the other nurse had this baby because she couldn’t continue with her plan for him. She’d put in the ground work already by making him bleed and have episodes. Then someone else comes along and she’ll know the baby will have an unremarkable shift. The picture was probably something that would have delighted her, knowing the parents treasured it but their baby had actually been coming to harms way whilst it was taken. Who knows how long she left him without breathing support after that photo? They said he couldn’t breathe unaided at that point. She really is as dark and twisted as they come.
EnoughAlready
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After Tof's last gasp confessional there, i feel like it's only fair to our fellow comrade i disclose i'm an only child, who was the first to go to uni in her family, who likes cats and neutral decor, welllll shit! 
MavisBeacon
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Yeah that sounds like hot bollocks. I've just read her thesis - it's a PDF called SA Thesis Final. So scientific, much wow. Every PhD thesis submitted to Cambridge is logged and searchable in Ethos going back years. Mine is, hers should be. It's not about having the text online, just the title should be logged in there anyway as it's part of the academic record. I'd love someone to ask him who her supervisor was, and who her examiners were. It's fishy as fuck, my tuna loving friends.
Oh look someone else turning a blind eye then retiring…From The Times last night
Hospital managers asked the Cheshire coroner, Dr Nicholas Rheinberg, to investigate the seven baby deaths in February 2017. The coroner declined, according to sources, telling the trust he was not a “quality-assurance service” for the NHS. Rheinberg retired that year.
Sandie Bohin
Describing the moment she realised babies had been intentionally harmed, Bohin, who lives in Guernsey, added: “I was sitting at my dining room table in the winter, and it was dark outside, and I was looking at this baby’s x-ray, thinking, ‘This baby has had an air embolism.
“Then I thought, ‘It can’t be.’ I’d never seen anything like that in my career . . . but nothing else explained it.
“The x-rays were in front of me, several of them, all showing air in the babies’ vessels. That’s when I thought: ‘No, it has to be, and it has to be deliberate.’”
Hannah_204
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Was the dog wet though?
cesarea-tinajero
Active member
i work in a hospital, altho I'm medical-adjacent rather than medical myself (phd dr rather than md dr) and theres been a group of us that have followed it since the start of the trial - all thought she was guilty, some earlier than others, but everyone agreed by the time she finished testifying.
however, the amount of people who come and chat shit now, 'i haven't really followed it, read much, but can't help thinking its an awful miscarriage of justice', is doing my head in. just feel like getting up and shutting my office door in their face until they learn how to read
these are bloody smart people too!
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my phd was actually in rare paediatric disease and that nutter trying to say she's innocent is so full of shit, and I doubt she has a phd.
however, the amount of people who come and chat shit now, 'i haven't really followed it, read much, but can't help thinking its an awful miscarriage of justice', is doing my head in. just feel like getting up and shutting my office door in their face until they learn how to read
these are bloody smart people too!
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my phd was actually in rare paediatric disease and that nutter trying to say she's innocent is so full of shit, and I doubt she has a phd.
Tilly Kister
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Because it's a process. Because if we begin down the slippery slope with disgusting individuals like Letby of "fuck the process just take it from her" there is a very short distance to travel before the process is unavailable to everyone. Just as with the notion of a fair trial and gag orders to assure that. Take it from Letby and no one has access to it.
If we are to set ourselves up as morally superior to those who commit heinous offences it is my belief that we need to behave in ways which practically demonstrate that. Respecting legal processes is one of those ways. If you begin to take rights away from anyone then you endanger everyone.
Caledonianprincess
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She will never enjoy the 70% off sale that Matalan currently have off women's clothing or any other sale they have haha