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MeredithJay

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I was talking to my mum about this as I was in neonatal as a newborn (restricted growth in pregnancy). And she still remembers what time she had to go down to feed me or take expressed breast milk down. And I’m 49 this year!!!

So for LL to say that the mum got the time wrong is bs
 
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Windowtothewall

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Just dropping in to reveal the identity of the reddit “scientist” who, along with Gill, tried to influence the jury during the case has now been reported by the media:

And also to show you how she was found to have battered her husband by a Californian court and judged legally incompetent.



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I’ve been sat on this for so long, but here it is.
I saw this today and was just coming on here to also share what a manipulative narcissist she is. You just have to google search her and she has spent the last 7 years and counting in the court over various cases with various people - she can't work and never has, she's still legally incompetent and has a guardian as of last month. There's one case where she convinced the woman complainant to hire her as attorney in fact...

It's safe to say she is a deeply disturbed and manipulative woman and i'm very glad the Telegraph has revealed her name. The fact she and Dickwad Gill are the only supporters of the coward. give me confidence it will never succeed. All the idiots can throw as much money down the drain as they need to support the campaign of the coward.
 
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gigilouxx

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How can its colleagues be so unsure of it’s guilt when it literally spent its evenings bombarding them with texts about the poor babies, kicking off and moaning all the time when it doesn’t get its own way, it’s also tried to push responsibility to everyone else
I don’t think “a number of colleagues” is accurate, I reckon it’s just the one, going by the name of Bowlcut Jan
 
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I copied the text into word to help find the error and it was 52 pages long. That’s just the main page 🤣

Holy shit 🤣🤣 you really deserve a medal for all the work you put into it!

I do find it funny when new people come on the thread and thank everyone for the amazing wiki because they naturally presume a team of people put it together and we're just like no.... it was just @Tofino 😅😅
 
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Liverbird2003

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Re the posts about jail life being cushy... there's no life that could make the loss of freedom ok for me. Imagine knowing you'll never see the sea again? Feel sand between your toes (or maybe even grass)? Paddle in fresh water? Climb to the top of a hill and see the landscape stretched out in front of you. Never, ever be completely alone again. Never wander down a high street and go into any shop that takes your fancy. Never leave the country, nor go on an airplane, boat, train or probably even car again. Never cuddle up with your own pet in your lap and watch whatever you want on tv, alone. Never go to a market, a swimming pool, a cafe, a restaurant, a concert. Never see a snowy landscape.... oh just so, so many things. Even the best version of prison life is just an existence. A very, very, small and insignificant existence.
Not that I ever plan on breaking the law and ending up in jail but this has made me feel a bit panicky about ever ending up in jail 😂

One of my favourite things to do is go into town by myself. Do a bit of shopping and then go for a coffee. All by myself, no kids, no husband, no friends. No talking. I can't imagine never being able to do that again.
 
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Warriorqueen

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My Mum is a nurse and trained in London during the 1970s. As did all of my aunts and grand-aunts. They're training was like something akin to the army and at that time there were no nursing assistants per se, these hardworking nurses did everything, they're medical training was second to none and they worked hard.

What struck me about LL (besides from being a thunderous, cruel murderous bitch) was the amount of time she spent on her phone while supposed to be looking after HIGHLY DEPENDENT babies. It was brought up time and again at trial and gave examples of she was claiming to feed babies (a two-handed job) while sending incessant Whatsapp messages throughout her shift. I'm genuinely curious as to whether this is a thing? I'm not being anti-nurse here, for the most part they are kind and their decision to pursue a nursing career is vocational, but is this what nursing care is like these days? I'm curious because for my Mum's generation you'd have been kicked out for not being fully engaged throughout your shift.
The only time I am on my phone during a shift is when being called by my coordinator. I honestly get home after a long day and feel like the morning was three days ago, my chin has developed stubble (menopause 😩) and my children have aged. I literally speak to no one. When I’m a nurse, I’m a nurse and I cannot be there for anyone else.
 
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Mookle

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The amount of posts on fb groups saying 'something doesn't sit right with me about this' or some shite like that are making me fume.

Most of these people haven't bothered to spend time listening, reading and taking in what has been happening. I couldn't give a shite if this doesn't sit right with you, educate yourself please before putting your ill informed thoughts out into the bin fire that is social media.
 
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MmmB777

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No but it is unusual to hide them, in various places, one being a box labeled keep.
First one in a fucking weird little shrine box. But they’re not trophies 🤪 nobody needs to debate whether these things are weird or significant anymore. She’s a proven and convicted murderer. There’s absolutely nothing typical, usual or ok about what she did with handovers.
 
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MmmB777

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Reading back it’s really very grim

‘Several’ deaths at her LWH placement
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This always had our spidey senses tingling didn’t it. I forgot she’d said on the stand that at LWH she’d seen ‘several’ deaths. Trying to make it look normal when it’s not. Why would you misremember more deaths? Absolute sicko.
Wasn’t there a HCA that had worked at CoCH that had worked there ten years and baby A was the first death she’d been on for. I would bet that in 20 years you’d luckily only be on shift for a handful or so probably less and how many would be utterly unexpected and unexplainable? The idea she was around 3 of these and 1 near miss in 4 shifts is unthinkable. The only reason anyone would think otherwise is because they assume prem babies die left right and centre when they don’t. Thank gooodness.
I also felt suspicious about babies not in the indictment that are mentioned as having shown signs of decline.. there’s one she should be with because she’s designated nurse and the shift leader gave evidence to say she had to tell Letby to focus on this baby who had begun looking ill and grunting. Other mentions of her babies getting transferred out because they’re unwell. I just don’t like the sound of any of it when it comes to her.

I also don’t think it’s really possible to cause a baby real harm by accident in a NICU. She was sadistic and did it on purpose imo, she didn’t discover by mistake that causing them pain thrilled her. She was probably doing much lesser things like making heel pricks as torturous as possible (as per a mother’s account) perhaps even messing with more medications, rushing/missing feeds. Pinching, harming, poor baby J she likely suffocated with her hand to cause the seizure. God knows how often she did something like that to cause serious desaturations.
 
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ellz14

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Since the questions about academia led me to actually post something in this thread, I thought I'd weigh in on the Dick Gill use of statistics to blanket claim that medical professionals can't be serial killers. I actually worried about the potential misuse of statistics in this case early on and it's one of the few parts of the case that I can say I have some expertise in.

There was a point during the trial where BM claimed that evidence was being fitted around Letby. I can't remember the exact wording, but it was along the lines of "babies collapse when she is on shift? Evidence it's her. Babies collapse when she's just left? Evidence it's her. She writes up the notes? Evidence. She doesn't write up the notes? Evidence". He was definitely going for the argument that they had their suspect and any evidence of anything she did would be taken as guilt. But he was actually the one twisting the evidence to fit his argument. The prosecution didn't say "writing medical notes is evidence against her" or "not writing notes is evidence against her" - there was far more nuance - they were saying "obviously falsified notes are evidence against her, as is the absence of notes where there should be some". Similarly they weren't saying "being on shift is evidence, as is not being on shift", they were saying that for all the collapses she was either on shift or near to her shift time - i.e. she had availability.

I was also a bit worried early on that if they had identified Letby as a suspect and then investigated all her babies, of course she'd be the common factor between them all. But they didn't do that. They investigated all of the unexplained collapses and found that she was present at all of them. Literally everyone here knows this anyway, but that's why it's so important that all the detectives were given one baby/incident each and the "sterile corridor" was maintained between the detectives in the early part of the investigation. The fact that they all, independently, came to the same conclusion despite not working in close collaboration at that time makes this different to the Lucia De Berk case. They didn't fit the evidence to Lucy, safeguards were put in place, and honestly I'm surprised that a statistics professor wouldn't be able to see the obvious statistical difference between the two cases (everything else aside).

Also cannot believe this man defended Geen, the man found outside the hospital who, when he saw officers approaching, discarded a syringe of a potentially lethal muscle relaxant that he just happened to be carrying to work with him. It's proper weird to have such an interest in defending the indefensible tbh.
 
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Tofino

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I guess there's no urgency, she's not going to be working or a danger is she. And the NMC hearings are always booked and scheduled months in advance. They will have to follow their own procedures.
they should really update their procedures to

‘if you are found guilty of killing the newborn babies you were meant to be nursing, you will be instantly struck off by 5pm the next working day.”

the need for a ‘hearing’ of any sort is bollocks.
 
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Tilly Kister

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Yes, what are they going to do with the funds if there are no legal grounds for her to appeal?

I don’t have any sympathy for anyone who donates and loses money. I’m furious two people (not even based in the UK!) are using this case to make money.
Just to raise the spectre of some imaginary appeal in the minds of those poor tormented souls who walked out of that court thinking they could begin to properly heal finally. Now they'll see this and the worry that an appeal might happen will begin to eat at them.
How could anyone even conceive of doing that?
The cruelty of it is breath-taking.

I swear the more I learn about people, the more I appreciate dogs.
 
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MmmB777

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Thing that surprised me most in the whole court case was she took the stand and didn’t have any fainting episodes, I know one day she wanted to stop but I really thought there would be more dramatics on stand.
I suppose not attending for sentencing got her some attention though.
She had her blankies 🤢, her special arrangements meaning everyone had to let her get seated first, told baby E’s mum to speak up and her flounce for Noname though. Think she genuinely wanted to be there for the attention, to hear it all again and see/hear the parents.
 
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Haveyouanywool

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I don't think that's particularly odd either. The rest of the house wasn't updated, so she'd hardly have started the decorating by doing the spare room. Newish house (as in to her), not much spare cash. It probably just wasn't a priority.

I suppose she could have sat in there with her trophies, thinking about her crimes but the former is probably more likely.
Murder babies?….Decorate the house?
Murder babies?…Decorate the house?
Murder babies?…Decorat…
Oh fuck it, I’ll just murder babies.
 
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