The can of worms this has opened is turning my blood cold the more I read. Oh my bleeping god how many victims are there.
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And people still claim she’s innocent
What did does Letby have on these people to be able to flaunt about like this when arrested for murder?!Times article about Karen Rees. Of course she believed (hoped!) Lucy was ‘innocent’!!! Worst thing that could happen to Karen Rees would be Lucy being found guilty as she now faces a ton of scrutiny that’s completely justified. Still not taking an ounce of responsibility though.
Lucy Letby nursing boss: Calculating killer duped me like so many oth…
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She had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent
“I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”
Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.
Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”
It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.
When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.
Rees, who lives in north Wales, said she had understood that the most life-threatened babies had been placed in Letby’s care and that no performance problems had been raised until Brearey contacted her on June 24, 2016, demanding her removal. She said that the neonatal unit’s manager, Eirian Powell, had assured her that there were no concerns about Letby. Powell has not responded to requests for comment.
When approached before the verdict was delivered but after all the evidence in the trial had been heard, Rees’s sister-in-law, who lives next door to her, said that the former nursing director believed that Letby was innocent.
A source at the Countess of Chester said: “There are still a small number of people on the neonatal unit who think she is innocent. They are finding it difficult to believe she could have done it, because for so long they were fed the narrative that Letby was being blamed by consultants who were making excuses for their own mistakes.”
I've known a few people in my time being able to get away with anything and keep their job and the rumors always circulate that they must have serious dirt on higher ups that would come out if they were sacked.
These hospital bosses were so unprofessional.
I'm not sure the parents want to continue pursuing legal action, but I feel like I would be going after every person who allowed this to continue happening and putting babies in serious harms way. I keep thinking about how awful the damage would be if she had been allowed to return to that ward.
I’ve never even met anyone above a 7!
Suspects are named when they are charged with a crime here, unless there is a good reason for it (i.e. that naming would prejudice the trial or that it might leave the defendant or their family open to being attacked by the public). That reason is balanced against what's seem as the public interest
You’ll find lots of nurses (ahem) do overtime to help the team and ensure a safe pt ratio/that they’re seen. It doesn’t make them (me) a yes girl, an a kisser or eager to please. Just felt that needed to be said. Jesus, I can’t win in this job! If I don’t put in the hours patients suffer, if I do then I’m a manipulative psychopathic murderer
I'm afraid I disagree with some of the below. It was establishe throughout the investigation and court case that she is highly intelligent. Even the judge said so when sentencing her. So I really don't think that is a trait we can put into doubt. What I think her achilles tendon was that she is incredibly narcissistic and think she is better than everyone else, therefore they wouldn't catch her. She got away with it for years (way before Child A) and got cocky, so she was unprepared for what was to come. If she had truly realised they were onto her she would have disposed of or hidden a lot of the paperwork she had. She just wasnt expecting them.
Poor little Alvin 
like Mmm says, got her written all over it
like Mmm says, got her written all over it
An interesting read from Liz Hull and her journey in court.
Wow, I feel chilled every time I read about Letby's demeanour in court.
Interested that she also discusses Letby's parents' treatment of the media:
And I’d disagree again
sorry! It’s not an unusual feature for people to keep things related to their crime in order to relive everything. It would have been impossible for her to dispose of them because it’s utterly precious to her. A blue towel with a baby’s resus on! There’s not a chance she didn’t know the implication of having kept that under her bed for years. It’s utterly precious to her and there’s no way she could bin it. She will have been resigned to the fact that she isn’t a normal human and at some point she would be stopped and her fun would end. She even acquired more notes and more handovers after her first arrest, that’s how important it was to her.
Hey I better get rid of this note that says I’m evil because I’ve been around 16 baby deaths over this year… nope Letby tucked it into the 2016 diary. Precious.
I’ve given this example a few times so sorry for everyone that’s heard it before.
There was a man in prison for a long time for multiple rapes and murders, the whole time he was convicted and serving time as the only perpetrator. Eventually he disclosed to the prison psychologist that he offended with another person and that the other man was actually the ring leader. They would listen to a certain album on tape in the car every time they went out looking for a victim. This other man had been free for years and years. He had gotten away with it. Until his friend’s confession. When police finally had enough on him to search his home, under his floorboards was the cassette tape that the pair of them had listened to, he clearly could not be parted with it.
it’s about an attachment to the crimes and a special secret that gives them excitement and thrill. Some can’t let go of the victims bodies, some keep underwear, some keep a big diary full of notes on what they did. Some revisit the crime scene often (Letby got that pleasure every time she worked). Some join the search, go to the vigil. She did not get normal excitement, emotions or thrills from life, sex, relationships.
By the time she killed the triplets, she was utterly out of control. She could have easily killed Q the very next day. How many consecutive days could her designated babies die for? I don’t believe that’s stupidity or all down to arrogance but just an utter compulsion to kill and hurt and once she’d finally got multiples she was on a total high. She will have known for a long time that she wouldn’t be normal or live normally. She didn’t mind the arrest too much and she enjoyed the trial. None of it matters at all to her in the way that we would think or feel about it.
She was talking about Letby though, not applying that to the rest of us who do extra hours.You’ll find lots of nurses (ahem) do overtime to help the team and ensure a safe pt ratio/that they’re seen. It doesn’t make them (me) a yes girl, an a kisser or eager to please. Just felt that needed to be said. Jesus, I can’t win in this job! If I don’t put in the hours patients suffer, if I do then I’m a manipulative psychopathic murderer
I think that Karen Rees is going to go down the line of “I was manipulated by Lucy too…” blah blah which absolutely stinks because she should have maintained professional distance and objectivity and listened to what the consultants were actually saying to her as a manager not be socialising with LL. This is all so disgusting.
It's such obvious bull. Surely she will get nowhere with that defence!?
It was not established. An IQ test was never mentioned or presented to court. Some people shared their opinions. None said she was "highly" intelligent. The judge just said she was intelligent along with other descriptors.
From what I saw in court, she was very articulate, which is a form of intelligence, but she was not intelligent overall. Some of her behaviours and the things she decided to say bordered on stupid.
Also, she was unable to come up with realistic or feasible explanations, when so many of her online supporters were able to come up with excuse after excuse, and innocent reason after innocent reason. After seven years of thinking about this, she had hardly come up with anything at all for any aspect of her defence, which indicates both a lack of creativity, and a poor ability to understand how other people think.
Really interesting, thanks.
I do have to ask...condoms?
THIS! The whole thing stinks. duck Karen Rees, I can't believe she continued being pally with her after she was arrested. What a bleep.
I'm telling you, there are more Letbys out there then we would like to think. They just don't all act on their impulses.
I’ve been reading these threads but haven’t posted yet. This is how I feel she looks in her arrest photo/mugshot. To me, I don’t see the same hardened criminal expression that so many other killers have in their mugshots but I think she looks resigned to the fact it’s over and her “fun” has been stopped.
it’s awful that she was able to kill once and get away with it, let alone continue for so long. Those poor babies and families.
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