Lucy Letby Case #67

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I bet she’s a right old a kisser who did anything they said, that’s why they liked her. Makes me sick.
She’ll have been extremely manipulative, coming across as eager to please and willing to do anything at work (as was seen with overtime etc) so they all thought she was amazing. That combined with seeming sweet and innocent (lovely Lucy) will have quickly had senior staff on side because she was the perfect employee for them - a ‘yes’ girl.

That move to the office job was probably in her favour for getting them onside.
 
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My childhood home’s garden backed on to the local crematorium. My brothers and I thought of it as part of our garden 😳 On one occasion we found an enormous mound made up of beautiful flowers, by chance, we found a beautiful arrangement which spelled out, Mummy. We delightedly retrieved it and carried it over the fence and presented it to our Mum. Our Mum was horrified and ordered us to return it. The following day, we watched the groundsmen set light to the flower pile. I’m not a serial killer, or a singular killer, but my goodness I loved our ‘garden’.
This is true. As a nipper, I thought the compost pile next to our local cemetery WAS the crematorium (it was next to a park we often walked through and I'd purposefully look away as we'd pass it). I used to think they just chucked the deceased onto it, having seen some gruesome children's (!) TV drama about Queen Boudicca, who went to her dad's funeral and he was roasted on a pyre/ spit kind of thing (1970s- kids were made of tougher stuff then- we even survived Hamble in 'Playschool'). I had a morbid fear of cremation and it took me a couple of years before I found the courage to ask my dad if that's where the dead bodies were burned. He just said, in his typical Yorkshire way, 'Nah, it's just a compost pile, luv! T'crem's miles away.' Now, I couldn't care less what they do with me after I'm gone. Chuck me on t'pyre, by all means.
 
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Hello dears. So I attended a Zoom presentation earlier about Lucy Letby with a chap who was a senior detective with Scotland Yard. He was involved in the Levi Bellfield cases so that piqued my interest. He also claims to be a criminal psychologist but he definitely isn't a psychologist having sat through the talk. Nonetheless some parts of it were interesting (although very few knew as much as this lovely crew 🧐

  • He made the point that, in his police career, sometimes a clear reason for heinous crime is never really established
  • Possible motives: Infatuation (Don't think he knew that the registrar only came into the picture later), a God complex, she loved the grief and despair of the parents and really got a kick out of that, she made numerous statements in texts that she found Nursery 3 & 4 'boring' so it could have been the desire for thrills/wanted excitement of sick babies. Believed a central tenet is not feeling good enough/inadequate and that she wanted to be at the centre of everything/saving lives
  • Recommends the book 'The Serial Killer Next Door' and that while trauma or looking for clues in the past is common it can be misleading to do that sometimes. Often there are triggers but not always.
  • Men tend to favour more violent crimes....women tend to favour poisoning (insulin) and other subtle means
Important points from a police perspective and how she got away with it for so long:

  • She had daily access to her chosen type of victim - easy access
  • She was in 100% control of these little people. She was literally in charge of their lives
  • The victims/patients were vulnerable and would never be able to fight back/tell


He gave a list of common red flags with healthcare workers who commit murder, some of which apply to Lucifer, others do not:

  • Often move from one hospital to another
  • Secret/difficult personal relationships
  • History mental illness/depression
  • Predict when a patient may die
  • Makes odd comments
  • Claims to be jinxed
  • Odd behaviours when a patient dies
  • Likes to talk about the death that has occurred
  • A pattern of deaths on shifts (and he made the point that this is going to be challenging in the future too because people are now keenly aware of their 'rights' so even bringing this up can be difficult.....not defending her rit management btw)
  • Prefers night shifts - fewer potential witnesses)
  • Makes people anxious/suspicious
  • In possession of books on serial murder (just as well I don't work in healthcare)
  • May have substance abuse issue/personality disorder

4 types of serial killers:

  • Visionary - usually due to mental illness and have visions/compulsion to kill
  • Missionary - on a mission to go and kill
  • Hedonistic - because they love it, i.e. Ted Bundy
  • Power & Control - this guy was in charge of the child protection team in central London and he said most paedophiles and killers of vulnerable people fall into this category, i.e. Shipman, Jack the Ripper, Fred & Rose West, Levi Bellfield and Lucifer
In conclusion, this copper is absolutely convinced she scores quite highly on the psychopathy scale for the following reasons:
  • Lacking guilt
  • Incapacity to love
  • Shallow emotion
  • Egocentric
  • Need for stimulation (boredome)
  • Superficial charm
I find this interesting as she is not a classic psychopath but I've never met one in a criminal capacity.

What did really pique my interest is the fact that he kept saying what a happy childhood she had. And it was only after I logged off I thought, did she? I mean do we really know that for sure? And I know he was keen to point out that childhood isn't always an indicator and asserted that Shipman and Bundy had happy childhoods (this simply is not true; the former was abused, believed his mother was his sister and beaten senseless by his grandfather, the latter was controlled mercilessly by an over indulgent but cruel mother) but do any of us really know what her childhood was like? She was an only child, there are no witnesses and my psyche spidey senses tell me that there are a lot of residual unhealthy, codependent behaviours that may point to something odd).

Anyway! The DCI finished with a print out of Judge Goss' sentencing remarks and he highlighted a number of really important clues presented in evidence that point towards why Lucifer is in fact a psychopath, I shall attach to this post.

Aaaaaaand DISCUSS 🤪
 

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I think most of us on here knew or at least suspected that these sort of stories would emerge post-trial, but **** me this stuff is no less dark
Has her written all over it. Going home feeling unwell and then baby dies. Wonder if that happened more than once. Can see why both of these would have been hard to take to trial but I don’t doubt for one second that they’re down to her.
 
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I think most of us on here knew or at least suspected that these sort of stories would emerge post-trial, but **** me this stuff is no less dark
The police did look at them so presumably ruled them out?

Those comments (in the Telegraph) are absolutely swamped with obsessive Tricky Dicky characters protesting her innocence 😬
 
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From the fake scientist. Her ex's dad was a doctor at CoCH apparently.

But sure, this is all about LL...
 
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There will come a day her parents will no longer be able to visit and any friends that still stand by her will eventually miss visiting days due to real life etc and she will realise she’s a nobody and can’t control anymore but I don’t think people like her ever feel guilt or remorse
 
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The police did look at them so presumably ruled them out?

Those comments (in the Telegraph) are absolutely swamped with obsessive Tricky Dicky characters protesting her innocence 😬
So two term babies die. It is really unusual for term babies, even with problems to just die in a NICU. Babies who are born with heart defects have surgery at Alder Hey and are usually fine. Babies with major health problems can usually be kept going at specialised children's hospital. Yet more babies needing full resuscitation at the Countess which unfortunately fails.
 
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Didn’t they say previously they agreed to only stick to that small window 2015/2016 as not to overwhelm the jury with too many cases? As in, she was most prolific in that small period, so they had a better chance with the strongest cases? Isn’t it a bit like Shipman in that they knew he’d possibly killed 100s, but gave the jury the best shot at conviction with a smaller number of victims.

I think she’d been harming babies for the duration of her career, and the more she experienced harm and death, the greater the thrill she got from it. She got careless towards the end and I think once she knew they were onto her, that’s when the harm really escalated(after the Ibiza holiday). She also got ‘lucky’ with that move onto the admin role because that put her in direct daily contact with hospital management which allowed her to feed them her narrative about the nasty consultants and allowed her to almost convince them to allow her back.
 
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I’m afraid something had gone wrong with the main wiki page. It seems to be hiding text and subheadings when in the edit function it’s there. I’ve not been able to figure it out and going to bed now so if it looks weird then that is why.
 
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Didn’t they say previously they agreed to only stick to that small window 2015/2016 as not to overwhelm the jury with too many cases? As in, she was most prolific in that small period, so they had a better chance with the strongest cases? Isn’t it a bit like Shipman in that they knew he’d possibly killed 100s, but gave the jury the best shot at conviction with a smaller number of victims.

I think she’d been harming babies for the duration of her career, and the more she experienced harm and death, the greater the thrill she got from it. She got careless towards the end and I think once she knew they were onto her, that’s when the harm really escalated(after the Ibiza holiday). She also got ‘lucky’ with that move onto the admin role because that put her in direct daily contact with hospital management which allowed her to feed them her narrative about the nasty consultants and allowed her to almost convince them to allow her back.
I think this is spot on. I've only recently caught up with all of the podcasts and discovered a total of 99 handover sheets in her possession were from her time as a student nurse. The oldest one (the one encased in the decorative box is from the 1st of June 2010 and 98 others followed before she qualified). The remainder are from post qualification. I suspect that she tampered with treatment/doses for a long time as perhaps singular episodes and this really escalated just prior to June 2015 when she had done an intensive course on air emobolism/neonate/risk factors/common causes. I think that medical knowledge is what precipitated the increased serious injury/death rate. She probably had been causing medical crises long before that and I suspect probably death but because she wasn't so blatant went undetected.

It's nuts how she managed to ingratiate herself with all the suits.
 
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I’m sorry if this is really random but I’ve dipped in and out of these threads with you lovely people as the trial has gone on but I wondered why Lucy letby was not kept anonymous during trial etc? So sorry if stupid question. I just can’t believe how someone so evil can even be among normal people!! And the arrogance of her not turning up to face justice. Disgusting.
 
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