One thing I’ve always wondered about in awful heinous cases like this is their lawyer. How do you defend this? I understand everyone is entitled to defence and a fair trial but how do you sleep at night knowing the next day you’re going to court to try and get this person off? Truly boggles my mind
I've lurked in this thread but not posted.
Having worked with criminal defence lawyers, they generally have what I'd consider a fairly flexible set of morals.
I was also a juror on a high profile case (I'm now discharged from jury service for life, although I'd do it again if I was called). The defence barrister was very, very aggressive with the witnesses (victims - we found the defendant guilty, unanimously, on all counts) and would use anything at all to discredit them. They were treated like they'd been accused of a crime. I appreciate that everyone is entitled to a fair trial and he was doing his job, but it's not a job I could do.
Regarding other posts about LL's motive - we need to remember that someone with heavily narcissistic traits, other people aren't full and independent human beings in their own right. To them, everyone is just an extra in the show where they're the main character. Other people exist to meet their needs, no more and no less. They do not inhabit the same objective reality as the rest of us, and they are relentless in their pursuit of attention, be it negative or positive.
I'm sure it's been said, but my (entirely speculative) view is that she went into that line of work because it's a very outwardly "heroic" sort of job. "Look at me, caring for the most vulnerable in society, aren't I lovely and amazing?" but for anyone who's ever known a narcissist, you'll know nothing is ever enough for them - they are black holes for people's time and attention.
Her decision to commit such horrific and unthinkable crimes might well have been opportunistic - she wasn't getting enough admiration simply being the lovely nurse, so why not manufacture a crisis? When you don't see other people as human, it's a win win isn't it? Either you get to save the baby you've deliberately harmed and you're the hero, or you don't and you get to centre yourself in a tragedy. And when everyone else exists for no other reason than to meet your needs and you're totally devoid of empathy, harming others isn't really "wrong", it just is what it is, which is why she's got absolutely no remorse.
The most shocking part is how basic she is. A truly bland and uninteresting human being who would otherwise fade into the wallpaper. But perhaps that's part of the problem. She believes she's truly special and in reality she is absolutely unremarkable and totally forgettable in every way. But nobody will forget her now.
no. Nobody thinks she is guilty because of those little things. And honestly only someone very self absorbed would interpret it to mean that they’re being personally insulted. Some of us have admitted to having the similar stuff in our houses or wearing similar stuff and going to those shops!! It’s not how anybody determined her guilt.
). If you watch the Allitt tapes, the detectives mention that she dressed differently to young women her own age too. It’s not at all an indicator of her guilt and you’re insulting people’s intelligence with that remark, but it isn’t out of the realms of discussion and you’d be best not to tell people off about it. Just ignore it if it upsets you. We’ve not been here 11 months because we think the kitten heels did it.
he was made anonymous because he is clearly a lying, cheating piece of shit with very poor judgment who was unprofessional by sharing information with LL at the time she was moved off the ward, and continued to see her well into 2017 even though consultants were insisting she had murdered them. I’d say the abrupt end to their relationship came when he found out she was being investigated for murder.
