Lucy Letby Case #66 Guilty

[TYL159]

Fred West was from Herefordshire too! I just noticed that the other day. Sorry anyone from Herefordshire, evil people can be in all walks of life as we know.
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But is JD from Hertfordshire it says on one page? Different county

Fred West was from Gloucestershire not Herefordshire

 

[wellwellwellitsanotherad]

Yeah she spoke to the papers yesterday and say she stands by her (someone posted a link). Not sure about anyone else

oh i missed that, we went out for the day yesterday so have a bit of catching up to do. thanks

 

[Lottiew1]

Mumsnet

Thank you! I've never been on that site before

 

[Aberscot]

my concern is that they won’t go back to trial because of the extensive media coverage etc now. Surely it will be hard for any jury to form a completely unbiased verdict based purely on evidence now? I can’t imagine there are many, if any, people in the UK who haven’t read/heard/seen things about this depraved monster now.

I am not sure how they can either due to the press coverage however its My understanding they have asked for 28 days to consider appealing so they must be considering it?

 

[wibble]

Haven't heard it called a venflon for so many years and I find that a bizarre question. As a nurse my answer is I haven't a clue, I've never tried to deliberately harm a patient.

Whenever she was asked about it Lucy Letby was very particular in emphasizing that the drip is in essence a closed system and air couldn't be introduced into the system via the bag at the top.

I shall tell my friend their idea is bizarre.

 

[uokhun92]

There’s a photo here which, unless that sold sign is for the house next door, her house was sold by July 2018. If that sign “was” for her house and not next doors, maybe the buyers clocked the police tent and decided not to bother hence why it was sold a year later.

Hereford 'very much home' for serial killer Lucy Letby

THE Hereford girl who grew up to become the UK's most highly convicted child serial killer had long dreamed of becoming a nurse while at school in…

www.herefordtimes.com

I think it must have been next door's as that sold in August 2018 according to Zoopla. Number 41 sold in December 2019 for £201K I just looked it up on Zoopla.

 

[Katkitkat]

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It’s not a stipulation specific to that case - lots of US states have a “Son of Sam” law which prevents this.

Generally serving prisoners aren’t permitted to publish anything under prison regulations. Even if they were, or for those who are released, they cannot profit from that. The provisions are in the Coroners and Justice Act 2009. Off the top of my head it’s Part 6 or 7.

So no, she won’t be writing any memoirs.

Thank you for answering that glad to hear the scum can't profit from what she's done. I will have a read of the Coroners and Justice Act.

 

[WatermelonSugar22]

It will be very interesting to me if some of the parents wish to break the court ordered anonymity and what or if any legal actions will be taken against them. In Australia several years ago a survivor of CSA wished to speak out and the anonymity order about her case prevented her from doing so. She fought a protracted legal battle to be permitted to name herself. For the rights of every SA survivor to make the decision to break the anonymity order on their own cases.

Her name is Grace Tame. (Pron. Tar-May) She is a courageous & fascinating young woman whose own tragedy and trauma has wounded but not beaten her. When she finally won the right to tell her story, to name the names she wanted known beginning with her own, the depths of the complicity by education, health, police and judicial authorities in her on-going abuse by a teacher and in the efforts taken to exonerate him were finally known.

When all Letby's appeals have been exhausted and those bereaved families can finally tell all they know without risk of giving Lucy-Fer any technicality of evidence to hang a plea for mercy on, I think the breadth of this cover-up at the hospital, the identity of "Dr Dreamy" , his role and level of influence with the managers, the nurses' union officials' role & level of influence in this wall of protection erected around her will be known. I think there are a lot more people with very dark questions to answer in all of this. Her over-indulgent parents among them.

If she has MBP or Factitious Disorder Inflicted on Others as they call it now, that is almost always done by a very specific group in society.
98% are women
96% of them are mothers between the ages of 25-40

They are typically married and overwhelmingly have a history of working in health & medical fields. It is less common than many think that they showed signs of having had Munchausen's (harming or feigning illness in themselves) before MBP. Ailitt (sp??) did. Letby doesn't appear to. Though I'm suspicious about that. She whined "Be careful I had knee surgery!" as they put her in the cop car. And daddy had driven 100 miles to look after her when she was released from hospital after that surgery. So maybe she did. No one has mentioned it and I recall the Beverley Ailtt trial very well. It was quite a prominent feature of that case. How many days for "being ill" she had off work & Uni.

I have deep suspicions that these stats aren't telling the whole story of Munchausen's tbh with you. I wonder how many more nurses and personal carers there are out there doing this not only to babies & children in their care but to the elderly and the disabled. Being better able to disguise their behaviours. Aided by having workplaces where lax regulation, lack of security and a culture of covering each others arses allow them to go undetected.

Every time a doctor or a nurse is caught killing patients we get "OMG how could anyone have ever dreamed a doctor/nurse could do such things!"

Ffs. These are just some of the more salacious cases since the year 2000.
Beverley Allitt
Elizabeth Wettlauffer (Canada)
Colin Campbell (Scotland)
Niels Hoegel (Germany)
Daniela Poggiali (Italy)
Charles Cullen who is interestingly enough, New Jersey's most prolific serial killer. I imagine that takes some doing.
Stephan Letter - (Germany)
Kimberley Saenz (US)
Kristen Gilbert (US) She killed disabled war veterans
Petr Zelenka (Poland)
Then there was the lesbian couple Cathy Wood & Gwendolyn Graham (US) a decade earlier who did private nursing & killed as a romantic adventure. Alzheimer's patients mostly. It was a real geriatric Hindley & Brady dynamic they had going on.

Should we not ask our health authorities to do a bit more due diligence on this? Some of these people have scores of over a hundred victims. They make Harold Shipman look positively under achieving.

We know that kiddie fiddlers seek professions which allow them to interact with their preferred target. Teaching, coaching, "Youth Pastors" bus driving etc.
Why would it be out of order to suggest that people with MPB seek out jobs in healthcare for similar motivations? Maybe there should be closer observation of what goes on in those wards. After all, we get observed fairly closely in Tesco. The technology exists.

EDIT:
Sorry I forgot to link the book all these stats on MPD came from. I'm a TC nutter in my spare time & this genre of killers fascinates me. Yes I own that book. In paperback.
I never claimed not to be a nutter - see above.

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It’s not pronounced Tar-may, it’s pronounced Tame, like the opposite of wild. Not sure where you got that? Watch the Australian of the Year awards.

 

[Faith61]

Oh are you interested in serial killers?!

Tbf to him I did feel a bit bad when he was talking about his preemie grandson at the end, you could tell he was emotional.

Oh.heck...missed that bit..

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

Ive a horrible feeling in a few weeks we'll hear shes gone for assessment at Rampton or somewhere cushy ....

 

[Hannah_204]

For anyone else who is really interested in LL's possible motivations, I found this 10-minute video from a clinical psychiatrist which is so interesting as he goes through a number of theories that have been bandied about.

Wow it not realise there has been this many nurse killers

 

[wibble]

Sorry?! Which handover notes will have come from Dr A and when? She didn’t borrow his car. He gave her a lift after the death of one of the triplets. That is incredibly farfetched imo. Are you suggesting he kept them and gave them back to her? They don’t belong to her. They’re confidential patient documents. Killing me softly is written on paper and found in the garage at her own house on second house search. The 6 handover sheets were found at her parents’ property on the second house search. They were not there previously. She says her friendship with Dr A ended early 2018 pre her first arrest.

I wasn't suggesting anything.
Just exploring my theory that she was trying to set him up.

As for the six handover sheets, I was under the impression that they were found during the second search in a black bag in the garage with the Killing Me Softly note.
Which is why Crime Scene 2 Court is speculating as to how they got there, and whether she had a lockup/security box/some other place where she had stashed them - as the premises had been thoroughly searched at the time of the first arrest.

Maybe the police didn't have a warrant to search the garage the first time.
Possibly because the garage doesn't belong to her, or she rented it out... or maybe there is some other reason it wasn't searched the first time.
Or perhaps the second arrest was triggered because someone was observed doing something that they weren't meant to.

Just thing aloud.

I must have got it wrong.
Mea culpa.

 

[Tofino]

I’ll do a new thread, it’s been a while!

 

[goldielox]

I was wondering myself what would happen to the house ie. would her parents assume ownership but read somewhere (can't remember where) that it was sold in 2019 so I don't think they will knock it down if it's already being occupied by someone else. The only houses they've knocked down to my knowledge are ones where murders were actually committed inside them.

There’s a photo here which, unless that sold sign is for the house next door, her house was sold by July 2018. If that sign “was” for her house and not next doors, maybe the buyers clocked the police tent and decided not to bother hence why it was sold a year later.

Hereford 'very much home' for serial killer Lucy Letby

THE Hereford girl who grew up to become the UK's most highly convicted child serial killer had long dreamed of becoming a nurse while at school in…

www.herefordtimes.com

 

[milkman]

Sorry if this has been answered before but just curious, as there was no verdict on some of the attempted murders could she apply for a retrial on these and also due to the extensive media coverage on the trial over 10 months, could this be grounds for a retrial in an attempt to get a lighter sentence? Not clued up on a lot of the law/sentencing/court stuff but did see a few lawyer tiktoks that this might be the case?

No is the short answer!

thank you! Glad to hear that

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

She won't need too.
Low Newton is equipped to make these assessments. She absolutely will not "pass" any assessment that sees her moved over to Rampton, not any time soon.

Lets hope so
I remember Sutcliffe fooling the authorities for decades

 

[Eirawen]

I think all of those things were cited as a joke for some light relief. I wouldn’t take it that seriously. I can assure you that people aren’t sprinting off to take incriminating DNA swabs of everyone wearing Matalan jumpsuits….

Maybe some people are joking but I really think others are totally serious about her "weird" clothes etc etc Her relationship with her parents does seem a co dependent one though and she did complain that they were smothering her I believe.

 

[DipsyDoodle]

I think she was probably suspended on the first arrest, and then a HR investigation. It’s possible she was dismissed anywhere between the first and last. They can also do it depending on how she informed her line manager too - so if she didn’t call them in a timely manner after it then they could have dismissed her on that.

Yes that true, thanks! I guess once she'd been arrested it could be classed as a breach of trust and confidence due to the allegations and ongoing police investigation. I think I was just hoping she hadn't been suspended on full pay for months and months!

 

[LadyMuck]

And worse I should think! Not that I care.

We can but hope!

 

[MmmB777]

And would a statutory inquiry force the government to make any changes that comes out of the inquiry (eg increase staffing) whereas non-statutory wouldn’t?

I’ve no idea on that one