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SkiesOfBlue

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For anyone else who is really interested in LL's possible motivations, I found this 10-minute video from a clinical psychiatrist which is so interesting as he goes through a number of theories that have been bandied about.

 
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SkiesOfBlue

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Has she gone back to the prison she was detained in up until now or moved to elsewhere does anyone know?
 
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bob321

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I’m still a full thread behind from Monday so apologies if been said but I always thought baby Q was triplet to babies P & O. I can’t believe I got it all wrong the whole time!
 
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cill2019

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One thing I’ve always wondered about in awful heinous cases like this is their lawyer. How do you defend this? I understand everyone is entitled to defence and a fair trial but how do you sleep at night knowing the next day you’re going to court to try and get this person off? Truly boggles my mind
 
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Lottiew1

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Hyndley and Rose West became pally at some point.
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Peter Sutcliffe managed to fool the professionals so they can be fooled.
They fell out again just as quickly. I can't remember which one it was I think might have been Hindley when she "turned" to God and decided west was abhorrent for killing her daughter.
 
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katiesmith81

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This is what I was meaning what her life will be like, at least initially


Wonder if it means the same equivalent to certainly what a mans wing or prison means by VP being that standing for Vulnerable Persons, what they get called ponces (the really bad ones in there for what only can be described as despicable things like pweirdo's etc, but not only that former convicted prison officers (bent ones that got caught I mean sometimes at least) and those who owe debt to other prisoners in the general population.
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Also heard the was plans (though it'd never have saved those poor children at all very sadly as it was thought about after) to make the directors licenced so to make them somehow accountable and struck off if causing something like this, but was shelved when the pandemic hit. Is also an idea for charging those responsible for not stopping her sooner possibly with manslaughter, though don't know how likely that is to happen.

Would make perfect sense a senior manager being or having some oversight of a person with a clinician who's got a GMC number and has to have one for to be able to practice any kind of medicine, but its the accountability making them fully comply with those regulations and laws, the director of nursing there got suspended as well I've heard.
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Not sure if the documentary people are talking about in here is the one Panorama did or which ever, but when with the Panorama one when Letby's friend says it's so out of character, rather is almost exactly what a much older lady than him said about Ted Bundy, he'd been a volunteer for some kind of help hotline of some kind and would particularly if it was dark and everything, would walk her to her car and for all intending purposes was a perfect gent. She had absolutely no idea he was going around US college campuses or going into dorms and killing women (or he would go onto had he not been doing that at the time), I believe somehow resembling his love interest he'd attempted to woe, which he had finally got with, but for some I believe unknown reason all of a sudden broke off all contact with her.
 
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jammybee

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I can only find a Daily Mail link.
She was found NG at her pre trial hearing back in 2022 due to lack of evidence, but they were still pursuing charges for Attempted Murder of that baby.

From memory I can't remember which baby it relates to in the case, but I think our saviour @Tofino put it in the Wiki.
Thanks so much
 
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goldielox

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I hadn't realised they were provided to the defence before they were read out in court.
This explains how it is used


An example of the VPS form

 
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Malone

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Are the hospital investigations notes available publicly? Not on the WIKI my sister works in Risk in a hospital and she would love to see these .
 
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sevenyearbiatch

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Course they will
Think the point here is....the mother of the.murdering bitch could have shown a little respect for those grieving, devastated parents, whose lives have been ruined and have sat there with dignity for ten months..listening to horrific details of what the monster did. Think that's more the point that's being made about " the mother"
True, I’m not trying to defend the indefensible. Just piping up that its mother wasn’t reponsible for its evil actions. I dunno how id react in some situations. Who knows eh?
 
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wibble

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I know she was bailed to stay at her parents, but why Would she not be allowed to go to her house, was that part of her bail conditions?
when she was on bail she was still going out socialising so wasn’t restricted on where she went then.
But like you say where was she hiding the handover sheets in between arrests, loopy Dawns ??
You could equally ask how they knew that she would write things and make notes.

Maybe they profiled her, and calculated that she would break the bail conditions which would offer them the opportunity to rearrest her and question her further.
 
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wibble

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Just out of curiosity....

If you have something like a venflon, and you put a hollow needle in the valve, then squeeze the tube to stop the flow of liquid above the valve - so that there is no liquid in the valve (and of course nature abhors a vacuum (a bit like my back bedroom)) - would that create an air bubble that would then be pumped directly into the body when you stop pinching the tube to allow the liquid to flow again?

Leaving you free to remove the hollow needle, that you have no idea how it got into your pocket - it must have broken off a syringe - should anyone ask - not that they will because you have disposed of it in the sharps bin.

Asking for a friend who is a fiction writer - of the cheapest pulp variety.
 
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