I wonder how common it is for people who are likely to get a life sentence to plead guilty on the off chance they get not guilty because really what do they have to loose 
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I think if you’ve got medical evidence and you’re quite disabled by your symptoms you probably could for such a long trial. You’d need a letter from a professional but I think that’d be really difficult for some patients I’ve known
I read it somewhere in the trial updates but I can’t find it now. Maybe they use a special type of plastic if giving an insulin infusion?
was it this bit? Has its own infusion because of the problems with insulin binding to bags.
Yeah, I was called up for jury duty and it says you can be excused if you have a legitimate reason and gives examples. I asked to be excused as I had no one to fetch my little one from nursery as my husband and I both work and I was excused. They did say I might be called up again in the future.
We didn’t get transcripts when I did jury service. We had to make notes of anything we wanted to remember.
Thank you yes, I knew I’d seen it somewhere. I obviously got it a bit wrong but the same principle applies.
It also said that no baby on the ward was prescribed insulin at that time so it could not be a case of administering it to the wrong patient
My partner was summoned last year just as our twins were born, but he told them the reason he couldn't do it was because he had PTSD and it caused him to hyperfixate and they suspended his duty
Oh crikey, surely on this one, with so much information, you need transcripts from each day. I would anyway.
was going to say this. Most Iv bags have an injectable port, could easily be done and put with other bags. Would only be a matter of time before it was used
I think it's likely that would be accepted but I think evidence from a GP/Consultant would probably be required to support it.
Hi, I have been following this case with interest. I’ve never posted before but thought I would join in with the discussion.
Im a nurse and find this case absolutely shocking. My heart aches for all those parents who have suffered. My thoughts regarding if she is guilty or not keeps changing every day. Something just doesn’t add up. So may unanswered questions which hopefully we will get some answers in the coming months.
Regarding the IV bag- I think it was TPN that was put up. TPN comes from pharmacy and is placed in the fridge until it’s ready to use. It needs to be left out of the fridge for an hour before being administered. All nursing staff will have access to the fridge at anytime of the day.
New TPN bags are usually given at night and run for 24 hours.
Could she have took the bag out of the fridge before the end of the shift ready for the night staff to put up.
Also, a new giving set should be used with each new bag so contamination from the last bag wouldn’t be possible.
Agree that it's weird. The only explanation I can think of is anxiety during the interview. Sometimes if you're under intense stress your mind goes blank.
I don't even have ADHD/ADD and I'd find it overwhelming with this amount of evidence. Mainly I'd struggle with the medical info because I have zero knowledge of that and my brain isn't very technical! Those poor jurors.
Welcome to the thread
Your theory is also the same as mine I think she started to hear what was being said and tried to get out of it by fudging the figures and trying to make others look the guilty partyI’m not sure. Transcripts of her police interviews may be provided, I guess? They weren’t at the case I sat on but it was obviously a lot less complex. I think we had a police interview from a victim who wasn’t appearing in court transcribed, but that was it. Everything else was notes scribbled on a piece of paper while still trying to listen to what’s going on.
I don’t think they’d get a daily transcript though. There will be a lot of other evidence provided on their iPads to help them navigate through it all. I don’t envy them at all. Our case was 8 days in court and that was hard enough to follow at times, and everyone on the jury took away different parts as important and completely missed or misheard things others thought were important. 6 months is such a long time with such a lot of information being thrown at you - especially all the medical information which most of them have likely not come across before.
Hey! Welcome! Could you or anyone with the right background explain what a TPN bag actually is please? Sorry I have no idea
I do wonder if the defense is just out to make sure that not all the charges end up being thrown at her just because she was there? If there is no evidence that some of the deaths were her, but potential evidence that others were, it’s about justice in that way. Making sure she is convicted for what she definitely did, not what she might have done. Everyone saying this is the “most prolific serial killer ever” makes me think that even if she is guilty of some of the charges, it’s very possible she’s not guilty of all of them.
Total parenteral nutrition (TPN) a way of feeding that bypasses the gastrointestinal tractHey! Welcome! Could you or anyone with the right background explain what a TPN bag actually is please? Sorry I have no idea
Thank you for that
Bringing handover sheets home is not normal. I've worked in loads of wards now in ED as a reg and I've never seen it happen. Of course it might happen but very rarely if it did. I'm with the HSE not the NHS. Whatever type of sheet it was - it was a trophy. Only because of the circumstances! Wouldn't acuse someone of it if the murders hadn't of happened.
It's a tough and exhausting job. Of course we will all make mistakes but most of the time they're simple ones such as bringing a sheet home in error. What she is accused of doing however..
As a physician right now I think she's guilty. Who knows she might not be but the evidence all points to her. Some of the stories are horrific and the fact that she attempted to kill one baby 4 times and succeeded on the fourth..
It's a tough and exhausting job. Of course we will all make mistakes but most of the time they're simple ones such as bringing a sheet home in error. What she is accused of doing however..
As a physician right now I think she's guilty. Who knows she might not be but the evidence all points to her. Some of the stories are horrific and the fact that she attempted to kill one baby 4 times and succeeded on the fourth..
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