I've been loud and clear what I think but I am prepared to see the trial out and am prepared to change my mind if the evidence sways me.
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Well written, educated and sensible post
I don’t think she’s innocent at all. I also don’t think she’s guilty. I’m just following a trial.
God forbid you’re not going along with the ‘she’s guilty and that’s that’ viewpoint.
which is why the trial is 6 months long and I am sure there will be some great evidence either way
Your posts are not coming across as you having no opinion.
Evening guys just catching up now.. Reading the parents statements are absolutely heartbreaking, I couldn't imagine losing 2 babies then the last thoughts you have involve a nurse that's up for their murder 
you'd be questioning everything
you'd be questioning everything
Me too. I don’t feel she’s guilty from the evidence we have heard so far - it is incredibly early days. I do feel from what we’ve heard so far that there have been failings in the hospital.
One thing I think we can all agree is we hope whatever the outcome of the trial that the parents and families of those babies get the justice and answers they need.
The prosecution are the first to lead so naturally being objective means questioning what they are claiming. When it comes to the defence naturally that will be questioned too. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. Other people are commenting similar to me yet you consistently quote and question me.which is why the trial is 6 months long and I am sure there will be some great evidence either way
Your posts are not coming across as you having no opinion.
To be fair I have seen people on these threads pile on Ava abit at times so I can see why she is abit hesitant to say she feels she's not guilty. Hate to be all teachers pet but can we all please just get along or at least put each other on ignore if people are getting each others backs up.which is why the trial is 6 months long and I am sure there will be some great evidence either way
Your posts are not coming across as you having no opinion.
Just been on ITV news (Telly), a reported has said “Letby turned and looked over at crying members in the public gallery” when baby A & B’s mothers statement was read out.
Chilling.
Chilling.
Please point out who is commenting the same as you? They aren’t. You are questioning everyone who is ‘jumping to guilty’ but your jumping to innocent and getting your knickers in a twist. I have engaged with many points on this thread about LL being innocent.
It isn’t a jurors job to question the evidence presented though. They listen to the prosecution. Take in the info, and then listen to the defence and make a balanced judgement based on all the info. SO if we were all perfect people able to fairly serve
On a jury we’d all be sat in silence and only gathering info. It’s human nature to make a judgment based on what you’re hearing it’s how we protect ourselves .
On a jury we’d all be sat in silence and only gathering info. It’s human nature to make a judgment based on what you’re hearing it’s how we protect ourselves .
Honestly, there won't ever be any justice, even if she gets found guilty or the NHS does. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow but these families lost their babies due to either murder or negligence - from the very people who they put their trust in and were supposed to protect the most important things in their lives. There isn't any coming back from that and I'm not sure if the answers are something many people could handle.
I often wondered that about the Sarah Everard case - how could her parents bare hearing what happened to her? Some things are better not known I think.
Ok, I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again - please just do not interact with me. I don’t enjoy your style of posting/questioning and find it really antagonising so let’s agree we disagree and not to interact from now on.
Me and you both have entirely different views and you are currently swaying innocent and I’m currently swaying guilty. We’ve quoted each other and spoken a few times in these threads and always been polite and respected each others opinions it shouldn’t be so hard for others to do the same.
This trial is 6 months long and the thread will be locked within the first 2 weeks if people don’t stop arguing and sniping at each other. Which would be a shame because it’s really useful reading everyone’s opinion (professional and personal) and things being pointed out you may not have noticed yourself.
Obviously nothing could ever bring their babies back, maybe I’ve worded that poorly. I mean that whoever is responsible for their deaths are held accountable and they get answers so they can have closure and be allowed to grieve.
Agree fully 100%Me and you both have entirely different views and you are currently swaying innocent and I’m currently swaying guilty. We’ve quoted each other and spoken a few times in these threads and always been polite and respected each others opinions it shouldn’t be so hard for others to do the same.
Exactly this!!! I really don’t want the thread to be locked. I feel some of us may need some support when the verdict comes. Regardless of what that may be. We all want answers for the babies.
I thought that was very weird too. The agreed facts are read out .... tell us then?? Would have be helpful in reporting the case
i wonder if they on any other reports from today? Sorry if its already been found I'm reading through today nowI agree. There’s not many places you can talk freely and open about it as it’s such a sensitive topic too. I quite like reading all the opinions on it - even ones opposite to mine, it’s good to be open minded about it and see things from other points of view.
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