Whereas the irony is she could have had the whole month sorted with just the bloody handover notes. And maybe the commode.
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This is probably how some (most) of the jury feel as wellI actually can’t cope
10 months and back to this. Night all
Jesus wept. That utter bleep.
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Thoughts on the insulin cases? Why are they framing someone to cover up for failings when someone undoubtedly attacked child F and L, why are they protecting said person?Be my guest
I’ve been on the LL threads on and off the entire trial and have swung between not being able to decide and guilty throughout.
For me the case is not proven beyond reasonable doubt. There are 5 other babies deaths she isn’t charged with so what happened to them? We're led to believe these babies were not expected to die, then we're told the unit was taking babies of earlier gestation (was it child G?) than they usually did. The nurses were also caring for more than one baby at a time too which is not best practice.
The babies LL is charged with murdering or trying to also collapsed on other shifts or on days she didn’t work, so naturally she can’t be charged with those attempts, but they happened, along with 5 other deaths, why?
Baby E is the worrying case, and the two triplet brothers 'probably coming back with a bang' from her holiday. With baby E I remember evidence that babies don’t bleed like that, then much later on in the trial that early gestation babies can be prone to haemorrhage?? So I can see why the jury is taking their time to go over everything and learn about what can go wrong, and whether that’s what happened, or they were deliberately hurt.
Baby H had a butterfly needle left in her chest that nobody knew if it had punctured her lung tissue causing the problems she was suffering.
This is one case where I’d like to know more about her background and what she was like as a person before deciding, which of course isn’t allowed. BUT she was either a criminal mastermind hurting and murdering babies without being detected for so long (and I don’t think she’s that clever) or she’s a scapegoat for a badly failing unit, or?
I shared a story early on but I have relatives working in the NHS and I know how the NHS can lie, covers up and protects its own. look how many Trusts and sectors within the NHS are in special measures for failures and bullying.
So before I’d lock her up forever, I’d be taking my time, like the jury is, to come to the right conclusion.
You can stay.
All joking aside, I was on the fence until I actually followed the case. I thought things were potentially explainable until the mountains of evidence placing her at every single scene literally seconds before each collapse secured her guilt in my mind.
I genuinely think anyone in the NG camp hasn’t followed along as closely as a lot of us here. Ofhers that have followed but still believe NG are just willfully ignoring the facts. She is the common denominator every single time. The babies were all attacked. She was the only one around them moments before each attack. Everything else just seals her guilt further. We don’t even know the half of it. Unfortunately.
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On a train to Boston to visit our girl from Austria that lived with my daughter & I in 1999 as an exchange student. She is now family & haven’t seen her since covid. She is having a baby girl next month! I keep trying to like posts and it’s an iffy process - keeps freezing. So of I like some and skip over others, just know I tried. A lot has been said about the members here and I agree 100% that this is the ultimate forum! Great information, insights, humor and caring! I’ll bet we could have one helluva party - would probably sound like the riverfront bars/restaurants in London by Westminster Bridge at night! Much love to all of you! Still following along as I go. Justice for the babies, the parents, her co-workers, the doctors - and anyone else the evil, heartless witch harmed!!!
Not usually one to get involved but I still don’t see any of your reasoning for NG
On a train to Boston to visit our girl from Austria that lived with my daughter & I in 1999 as an exchange student. She is now family & haven’t seen her since covid. She is having a baby girl next month! I keep trying to like posts and it’s an iffy process - keeps freezing. So if I like some and skip over others, just know I tried. A lot has been said about the members here, and I agree 100% that this is the ultimate forum! Great information, insights, humor and caring! I’ll bet we could have one helluva party - would probably sound like the riverfront bars/restaurants in London by Westminster Bridge at night! Much love to all of you! Still following along as I go. Justice for the babies, the parents, her co-workers, the doctors - and anyone else the evil, heartless witch harmed!!!
Ah yes, I just rediscovered the "ignore" button. What a relief 
Jerry Jerry Jerry!
It had nothing to do with the collapses that she’s charged with.
I bloody love this!! I do anything to avoid cooking where possible
sometimes I put tit and sugar just for the lolsI bloody love this!! I do anything to avoid cooking where possible
Can you imagine how long the trial would have been if they had charged her with all of those
we’d still be here 10 years later
Sorry to hear you had a tough childhood, we will mother you here!Speaking of washing, has anyone else put trainers in the washing machine and they've been ok?
I'm pretty useless at housey stuff (I was always in and out of the children's home/abusive life at home) so any advice would be really helpful, plsI've looked on google but there's 503839383 different answers
Absolutely put them in the washer, I always do they come out perfect, I put them in the dryer as well.The other five babies are simply not relevant to this trial. It’s not reasonable doubt to speculate on something that has not even been presented in court.
I feel the phrasing "beyond all reasonable doubt" creates doubt by its very nature and has you looking for holes in the case. After I heard it phrased as "satisfied so that you are sure" I felt more comfortable with my opinion that she was G once I thought about it that way. You are being subjective using the evidence provided rather than poking holes and asking questions we don't necessarily have the answers to. But that's just my opinion and I'm nobody and who asked me anyway 
Thought this was going in an entirely different direction…Oh I'm the queen of decluttering.
Get 3 boxes: Label them Keep, Throw, Charity. And then take one section at a time, even if that means one drawer or one cupboard. Don't try to do too much as it will be overwhelming. If you've not thought about or used something in 6 months then pass it on or whizz it. We keep and accumulate so much over the years and honestly, we don't need it. Also get rid of any repeated items....you're really don't need 7 tin openers
Get everyone involved because it feels so good afterwards.
If you've got a shredder make yourself a nice pile of unneeded paperwork and do it at night as you're sat comfortably watching TV or rip it up and put it into a bowl of warm water, let it soak and when it's maliable squeeze all the water out. It will eventually harden and whatever was typed/written on it will be gone.
I'm a big fan of containers, particularly in the shed. I decant any paint leftovers into a jar and label which room they're from. I have containers for garden items, paintbrushes, screws, nails etc all labelled and stacked neatly.
Letby only got as far as the first bit
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